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dan_the_man
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mirical products !!!!!!!!!
« on: May 9th, 2007, 12:27am » |
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Howdy folks of this fine site.I came accross these products during a mindless search or twenty on EBAY ! this one looks like it advances the ignition timing . item no 300108475455 . this claims to 'magnasise ' fuel, I have been told by a sceptical chemist ' only the oxygen molicuels could be affected'. item no 190111000270 . I would appreciate any input anyone has to offer as to these products effectiveness ! or as to the detremental effects. thank's for taking the time to read my post. DAN.
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Re: mirical products !!!!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: May 9th, 2007, 1:19am » |
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300108475455&am p;ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D300108475455%26fvi%3D1
This is probably just a resistor that you fit into the IAT plug instead of the IAT 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190111000270&am p;ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D190111000270%26fvi%3D1
This uses magnetism to apparently influence the molecular structure of the petrol to make it burn more evenly & efficiently.
Usually you have to have two magnets mounted either side of the fuel pipe that repel each other (pos - pos, or neg - neg) to do this. This thing just seems to sit on top of the pipe 
There is no real evidence to say that these things actually work.
I've been running an in-line 'Fuel Cat' for a while now. It works on a similar principle...It has the magnets, but also has fuel conditioning tin alloy lumps in it, & I can report that there has been no effect on fuel consumption or performance on the Scorp.
However, I also have one in my MK1 Granny, which I fitted for the sole purpose of being able to run on unleaded, & it runs perfectly.
But I also wonder, being that the V6 Essex lump in my '77 Granny probably has hardened valve seats, then does it really need it ? ....I'm tempted to remove it & let y'all know the results 
So maybe they do work or maybe they don't ...it's debatable
This guy invented this kind of thing...
http://www.broquet.co.uk/history.htm
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« Reply #2 on: May 9th, 2007, 7:13am » |
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These magnets have been around for years, the brandname that comes to mind are "Ecoflow" I think it has the effect of supposedly re-alighning the molecules in the fuel to give a more even combustion. I think it's more a case of "The Kings new clothes syndrom" if you want to try it for nothing you can aquire very strong magnets out of old hard drives, just strap them to your fuel line nearest the engine
I have found that the only sure way to cut fuel costs is to convert your car to LPG which at the moment costs 39p per litre. Costs a bit to do but is a sure way.....and well worth it.
There is a resistor available on e-bay which if you put it in circuit with the MAF it tricks the system into thinking the air is at a different temperature and causes the ECM to adjust the fueling ratio. Does it work? suppose it could do in theory, however these systems are the results of millions of pounds worth of research and development by some of the best brains in the business, I think that bunging a half pence resistor in a sophisticated circuit is probably asking for trouble... I may be wrong!
Only my opinions... 
hth
pete
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« Reply #3 on: May 9th, 2007, 9:25am » |
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i saw this on tv the other night, i think it was on discovery, the two guys that diss myths in america.
they got all the so-called things that make the petrol burn slower and they came up this conclusion........................
NONE OF THEM WORKED, in fact the magnets seemed to burn quicker
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« Reply #4 on: May 9th, 2007, 9:50am » |
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I think all these products are designed to give the effect of a raised octane level...so it makes sense that it will burn quicker, if you floor it.
But because of the so called 'extra power', then you don't have to be so heavy on the accelerator, thus saving fuel
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« Reply #5 on: May 9th, 2007, 10:25am » |
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afraid not................. they done alsorts of tests and still the same result!
THEY DIDNT WORK, the program is called MYTH BUSTERS
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« Reply #6 on: May 9th, 2007, 10:41am » |
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Having been around for quite a bit longer than a lot of you guys (I'm 60 now), I can promise you that the ONLY way to get better fuel consumption from a petrol engine is to keep it well tuned and serviced, and to ease up on the right foot!
These GIMMICKS are just that! Save your money.
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« Reply #7 on: May 9th, 2007, 11:46am » |
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.......anyone wanna buy a Fuel Cat ? 
On second thoughts, I may keep it as evidence
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« Reply #8 on: May 9th, 2007, 12:54pm » |
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I agree with spannerdemon, also if you use cruise type driving little braking so no heavy accelerating you will get there quicker for less fuel also carrying around a full tank of petrol also drops mpg. 20 years plus ago some used to put anti static things on the back of cars I seem to remember that these were found to be a con, makes you wonder what will come next
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« Reply #9 on: May 9th, 2007, 2:16pm » |
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Oh!
*removes magnets from forehead*
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« Reply #10 on: May 9th, 2007, 3:23pm » |
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« Reply #11 on: May 9th, 2007, 7:45pm » |
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i thought the anti static things were to stop you getting static shocks that some cars gave when you touched them?
the ignition advancers/retarders work, been on sale for bikes for years.....
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« Reply #12 on: May 9th, 2007, 8:49pm » |
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why would you attach a piece of rubber from your car to the ground to earth it, let me think.......................
oh ye THE CAR SITS ON FOUR d**n TYRES
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« Reply #13 on: May 9th, 2007, 8:51pm » |
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I think you'd notice much more effect from cleaning your fuel injectors and putting a tank of good quality fuel in than any miracle device for magnetizing the fuel supply  .
If you increase the octane of fuel the ECU retards the timing anyway so what do you gain?
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« Reply #14 on: May 9th, 2007, 10:03pm » |
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i was thinking more of pre injection bike engines, advancers were used lots in racing.....
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« Reply #15 on: May 9th, 2007, 10:04pm » |
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didnt the rubber strip have a metal core in it?
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Re: mirical products !!!!!!!!!
« Reply #17 on: May 10th, 2007, 4:00am » |
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The world is full of things that don't do what the're supposed to do, but have sold by the bucket load......here's a few
Spot creams do not get rid of acne, because acne is more to do with hormones than a dirty face 
Cillit Bang doesn't clean a two pence coin just by dipping it in the stuff
Pills, potions, lotions & those vacuum things do not enlarge your manhood, not that I've ever tried any of these I might add
The Bullworker, which claimed to vastly increase strength within a week & muscle mass within a month ....& was better than using weights
Sunny Delight which claimed to be full of vitamin C & good for your kids, & was the best selling soft drink about ten years ago was proved to have less vitamin C than a bag of crisps & if you drank enough of the stuff, would actually turn your skin orange, due the additives & dyes  ....& not to mention the sugar rush
Carlsberg, which claimed to be "probably the best lager in the world", wasn't, because it used to only contain 3% alcohol....Today that would be classed as a practically non-alcoholic drink 
Learn to speak Spanish in a week ...now that's just downright ridiculous....a few words maybe, but to be able to hold a conversation....nahhhh
Finally...the number one best seller of all time....the one that millions of people believe in & life without it would be totally meaningless if it was proved to be the biggest scam that ever existed.........
So even though we are all in agreement that theoretically these fuel savers cannot possibly work.
Do we really know enough about the molecular structure of fuel to know that it is not affected by the introduction of a tin alloy or magnetism ?
Taliban stated that such things have been used in Motorbikes for years & that they apparently do work, but maybe only in engines that don't have fuel injection. The Fuel Cat has been used on alot of motorbikes, with apparent, noticable enhancement in performance.
So I think I'm going to remain open minded on this subject now, as I don't know enough about magnetism & the conditioning/separation of fuel molecules, or the introduction of tin alloy, to totally dismiss all these fuel savers/enhancers as being a rip off 
If Broquet came up with an idea all those years ago (1941), that apparently worked on the Russian fighter planes, then surely his theory would survive today & be put to use in vehicles & heating systems etc ?
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« Reply #18 on: May 10th, 2007, 8:37am » |
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Like it. Started my day off well.
Proves the old saying every time.
"A fool and his money are soon parted"!!
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Re: mirical products !!!!!!!!!
« Reply #19 on: May 10th, 2007, 10:25am » |
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i,ve had a broquet fuel catylist pack stuck in my kit car fuel tank for 20 yrs now to enable the leaded petrol only head to work on unleaded fuel, never had any probs yet , am i to expect some?
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