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poor MPG
« on: Apr 12th, 2012, 8:20pm »
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im getting poor MPG out of my 2.5td  
low 30 on a long run and low 20 around town.
im not heavy footed and just did a 300mile round trip last weekend and got 35MPG whilst driving economically.
never went over 70MPH and did not boot it either.
 
noticed few times when i did put my foot down that there was loads of black smoke coming from the rear.....turbo boost is working ok ...
 
full service was done 1000mls ago and a good fuel cleaner was put in the tank with less that 1/4 full.
 
any ideas what i can do to improve this MPG as what im getting is poor .
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Re: poor MPG
« Reply #1 on: Apr 12th, 2012, 10:24pm »
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Black smoke relates to over fuelling. Do you have a MAF valve?
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« Reply #2 on: Apr 12th, 2012, 10:41pm »
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There is a MAF on the output of the air box  
And that's working as if I disconnect it  
I can drive but no turbo power
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 13th, 2012, 7:35am »
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It may well be working but is it clean? Give it a good squirt of carb cleaner DO NOT TOUCH THE WIRE ELEMENT INSIDE and see if things improve.
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 9:58pm »
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found out today that the MAF is faulty so looking for a working 1.
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« Reply #5 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 1:23am »
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New Bosch unit, special order from Germany. £220+ VAT.
Used very rare and no guarantee of reliability or longevity.
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Re: poor MPG
« Reply #6 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 8:57am »
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Might be worth looking at MAF's from other vehicles the 2.5TD is installed in  Huh
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 1:16pm »
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Try searching on Ebay using just the part no – I’ve bought them from other cars for my 2.3 that way.
 
If you google the part no you may find a list of other cars that use it.
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 2:49pm »
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Non generic, that I know of.
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 12:28am »
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Obviously you need to check the part no on yours against the one I’ve used.
 
I searched around for Bosch 0 281 002 164 which I found on other posts about the diesel MAF.
0281002164 gives better results
 
Found this:
http://www.expressauto24.net/epages/eb8978.sf/sec131eaad8f3/?ObjectPath= /Shops/eb8978/Products/0281002164
 
Presumably a pattern part as somewhat cheaper than other places – although this doesn’t come with the body so you’d expect it a bit cheaper.
 
This place lists them but you have to register for the price but the registration page is blank at the moment:
http://tienda.edelmiro.com/auto/index.php?manufacturers_id=65&sort=2 a&filter_id=320&language=en&tipoprecio=neto&osCsid=j52nqjdtdr05iuhp3kfi5cuju6
 
I get the impression it may be used on other cars with the VM 2.5 - but not any cheaper
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« Reply #10 on: May 13th, 2012, 5:22pm »
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well got me a new MAF for £35.00 off the jeep and car is running much better
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« Reply #11 on: May 13th, 2012, 8:46pm »
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What Jeep model is this and is it a direct fit. Also is £35 brand new or used
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« Reply #12 on: May 13th, 2012, 10:31pm »
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Chrysler Jeep Cherokee Mk2 XJ, 2.5 Diesel Air Flow Mass Meter Sensor  
This is brand new PART NUMBERS FOR THIS ITEM WOULD BE : 04883258 or 771 - 93A - 106  
Interchange 0281002156
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« Reply #13 on: May 13th, 2012, 10:50pm »
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Thank you for this info. Great news  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: May 14th, 2012, 5:35pm »
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I got a topic notification!!
 

 
If it's any interest there's a topic going on at the Moto Guzzi GB forum, re how the modern injected models seem to have worse or no better consumption than the older carburettor bikes!
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« Reply #15 on: May 14th, 2012, 6:13pm »
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Talking of Bikes, My 1980 Laverda Jota has terrible fuel consumption, always has had since I bought it brand-new.  Same goes for my Yam' MT01.   But both Bikes get driven hard when I get a chance to ride them.
 
 
 
And the MT01 with the stage two finished with the fresh pipes, removable baffles of course!
 

 
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« Reply #16 on: May 16th, 2012, 4:17pm »
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Well "driven hard" might not be helping Grin
 
Difficult as it may be to resist I know
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