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Paul B
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #20 on: Jan 15th, 2005, 9:01pm » |
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Blimey... am I glad you turned up! 
That's what I needed though - the definitive description. Looks like I'll be having the arse end up in the air again pretty soon then.
I must say, that todays piston-winding event was only done on one side, so I do wonder how much good that has done. But I'll give it one more crack I think, doing exactly the same to both sides as you describe.
What I don't want to do is go and splash out on new calipers if these are only needing a silly little adjustment somewhere. Incidentally, I was quoted 100quid a side (might be plus vat  ) for exchange ones. Is that about right?
Anyway, as always, many thanks for your advice. Will let you know how it goes. Watch this space! 
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SaveTheNight
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #21 on: Jan 16th, 2005, 9:17am » |
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no probs Paul ... anyway ..sounds as if you will be ok without calipers to me ..and as you say they are pretty expensive .. 100gbp sounds a bit high though and it's definitely one to search around for ..70-80 is the money really if you do get stuck .. but don't panic yet as most faults are incorrect adjustment ..< even if it seems to have been ok for a long time > ..just make sure they don't try to give you non-vented disc calipers which are slightly cheaper .. like I say ..shout if I can help mate ..... catch ya soon !! ... STN
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #22 on: Jan 16th, 2005, 11:06am » |
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Sounds to me as if the actual cable needs some lubricant (wd40). What happens if you disconnect the cable, does the lever move all the way back then? john.n 
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Paul B
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #23 on: Jan 16th, 2005, 11:09am » |
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That's the silly thing John... throughout all this, I haven't actually completely disconnected the cables from the calipers yet.
Guess what I'm doing this afternoon?
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #24 on: Jan 16th, 2005, 12:17pm » |
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that's the secret Paul !! ....... hope all goes ok .. I agree with John about the cable ends but disagree about WD ing them ..< only cos I was taught that nylon coated friction cables get worse when oiled and also drag more crap in > but that WAS a million years ago so don't take too much notice .. and no offence John .. it probably works........ STN
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Paul B
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #25 on: Jan 16th, 2005, 8:19pm » |
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Guess who's got a handbrake that works?  
Followed the aforementoined procedure - doing an extra bit of work in the middle - and put it all back together again.
And I think I've now sorted it. It holds the car on slopes nicely and I've also eliminated the floppy lever inside the car.
What I discovered was that, even with the cables detached, those actuating arms still didn't spring back nicely.
I levered them upwards a bit (again) to discover that they are starting to corrode in there a wee bit  So I took a bit of time carefully cleaning those as best I could and, after a small bit of lubrication, they had more spring in them than Zebedee! 
Word of warning to those about to do this job... don't start it at 3 in the afternoon when it gets dark at about five. Its going to be well dark when you're trying to finish it.
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #26 on: Jan 16th, 2005, 8:24pm » |
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well done Paul !!!!!!!!!! gonna start calling you percy !
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Paul B
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #27 on: Jan 16th, 2005, 8:31pm » |
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Percy?
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #28 on: Jan 16th, 2005, 8:36pm » |
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Percy Verence !! .. helps with pain in the a** jobs on the car !
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Paul B
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #29 on: Jan 16th, 2005, 8:51pm » |
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on Jan 16th, 2005, 8:36pm, SaveTheNight wrote:
Aha! I see.
Thank you doctor
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i take it u got my pm then paul?
glad its all sorted...
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Paul B
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #31 on: Jan 17th, 2005, 6:54am » |
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I did Nick, yes. All information was logged up top... and then printed out in case I forgot it! I think I might start compiling a handbrake repair manual or something.
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No worries m8y.... glad my info was a bit of help to u.... bit o bad news... not gettin the saab now.
will pm u
Cheers Nick
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #33 on: Jul 30th, 2006, 1:01pm » |
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Very helpful info. I am also working on corroded drivers-side handbrake actuating arm. Cable removed but arm will not lift more than 1cm from the caliper? It appears held. Is there a bolt that releases the arm allowing its total removal so I can clean it carefully? If I do so will I release hydraulic fluid and have to bleed the brakes?
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Paul B
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #34 on: Jul 30th, 2006, 1:39pm » |
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Not totally sure how its held, but if you do pop it out, you'll have fluid pumpin out all over the place. In that case, yes, you'd need to bleed.
I had further problems after my last post on this thread, and have since replaced the calipers with some 2nd hand ones (from a 2.3 estate).
Also, when replacing them, I drained all the old fluid and renewed it. I think that has to be your answer in the long run. Otherwise, you'll be forever jacking the car up to do temporary repairs. Keep your eyes open for some now while things are not too bad. Then you'll be prepared.
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #35 on: Jul 30th, 2006, 4:37pm » |
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My N/S rear caliper was similar, the actuating arm wouldn't return to its stop, on examination the arm was seized up due to internal rust and wasn't really worth fixing .
So I got a decent one from a scrappy, fixed and bled it and it works fine.
So I've got a good condition rear caliper piston going free if anyone wants it.
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #36 on: Jul 30th, 2006, 6:16pm » |
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Thanks Paul and Mr Floppy.
Further investigation shows pads with zero lining on one side. Two corroded and delaminating discs and one seized cylinder. The handbrake problem is now a side show that will probably be cured when I replace everything else.
It is surprising that the car stopped at all. Shows how much the front brakes (which have new disks and pads) contribute to the braking.
It passed the MOT 9 months ago with only 8000 miles since.
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #37 on: Aug 3rd, 2006, 7:44am » |
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I live in France and my 1997 Scorpio is also suffering from a handbrake lever problem. Taking advice from Ford here, they told me that if the pads were changed the slack lever would automatically right itself. WRONG! Having paid for new pads, I found that the old ones were still quite usable. Next advice was 'ok then it is the cable that has stretched and should be replaced'. I am sceptical about this, so just what could the problem be? The springs certainly appear to move but I wonder if they are working properly . They look clean enough but the brake lever remains stubbornly slack. Can someone tell me if the cable can be adjusted and where to find the adjuster? My French mechanic friend thinks the cable is automatically adjusted and there is no manual adjuster. HELP NEEDED BEFORE I GET MORE OUT OF POCKET!
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Re: Handbrake Advice
« Reply #38 on: Aug 3rd, 2006, 2:25pm » |
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There is an adjuster BUT it is only for a stretched cable. It IS NOT the method of adjusting the handbrake. The rear pistons are on a threaded mechanism and it is this system which takes up the adjustment as the pads wear. This is why you have to wind back the rear pistons with a special tool as you cannot just push them back. Read this http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/adjhandbrake.htm. BUT NOTE what it says about adjustment. This may also help http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/brakesmanual.htm.
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