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mazzy_j
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Re: Adjusting 'on-boost' fuelling - 115BHP diesels
« Reply #1 on: Jun 26th, 2006, 9:02am » |
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Hi Darren, does this mean your mpg problem is fixed? I have always wondered how to turn up the boost fueling, and now i know! I have a spare pump to practice on before i do this to mine, because having fitted the forced air feed mine seems to have been running on the lean side by the feel of it. A point to add, turning up the fueling will to a point make it quicker, but you'll need to turn up the turbo wastegate (by shortening the actuator rod) so that there is more air for the extra fuel to burn with. Anyone else thinking of doing this don't go too mad cos the old VM lump isn't a race car engine and the headgaskets aren't indestructable Another useful write up there Darren, Matt
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Dave
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Re: Adjusting 'on-boost' fuelling - 115BHP diesels
« Reply #2 on: Jun 26th, 2006, 10:47am » |
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Still not tempted you to keep it, Darren?
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sector-9
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Re: Adjusting 'on-boost' fuelling - 115BHP diesels
« Reply #3 on: Jun 26th, 2006, 10:34pm » |
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Well I've put the price up on ebay, so if it doesn't sell then I will be keeping it provided I can find a replacement ABS sensor to get it through the MOT in a few months! Matt, I've not really ran it much since upping the fuel quantity (don't want to fill it up in case it does sell on ebay!) but so far - as the gauge is quite consistent down to the last quarter tank - there seems to be no difference in economy and possibly it might even be better under some circumstances. You're quite correct about needing more air for the extra fuel but it would appear my engine had no problem with air volume but too little extra fuel to take advantage of it. Like I said, I don't know if this is the case generally or just a peculiarity of my engine. In my case simply increasing the fuelling has had the desired effect though I won't know until the MOT whether the emissions are still acceptable at the new setting. If not it's only 10 minutes to set back (unfortunately I don't know what the exact original setting was as I didn't mark it). Be careful if you do shorten the wastegate rod - this will increase the manifold pressure which will generate more heat in the cylinders and this engine doesn't like being cooked!!! Actually I'm suprised you haven't already found this adjustment out yourself - I only twiddled it after speaking to you at Harewood and hearing how you had removed the diaphragm housing and cleaned it all out including the connecting pipe. Perhaps I'm just more cavalier in my approach... Darren
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mazzy_j
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Re: Adjusting 'on-boost' fuelling - 115BHP diesels
« Reply #4 on: Jun 27th, 2006, 8:37am » |
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Quote:Actually I'm suprised you haven't already found this adjustment out yourself - I only twiddled it after speaking to you at Harewood and hearing how you had removed the diaphragm housing and cleaned it all out including the connecting pipe. Perhaps I'm just more cavalier in my approach... |
| I do remember seeing that gearwheel when i cleaned out the diaphram, i just didn't want to touch it because i knew i'd only end up breaking something or making it worse than it is! That said, i gave it a go last night, gave it turn clockwise to up the fueling and went out for a test drive. The first thing i noticed was that it was idleing a bit higher (about 100rpm higher), and that i didn't need as much throttle to keep a constant speed than i did before, this was presumably because the 'base' fueling had been raised (the equivalent of me having my foot slightly on the throttle). The real difference was above 3k rpm. After about 3500 the engine used to run out of steam, but now it pulls just as strongly from there on upwards to 4000 when i then change gear. Having the EGR disconnected and the air feed i'm sure my engine was running extremely lean, and now the fueling has been upped it should now be closer to the optimum fuel/air ratio, which should = more power and mpg Matt
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sector-9
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Re: Adjusting 'on-boost' fuelling - 115BHP diesels
« Reply #5 on: Jun 28th, 2006, 12:34am » |
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Hmmm, strange. Didn't make any noticeable difference to the idle speed on mine. Still, if it works for you then great. At the moment my EGR is all connected back up - I've 'adjusted' (in a similar cavalier fashion) the TPS so now it closes as soon as the throttle starts to open. TBH I think this is how it should have been anyway and it certainly feels more responsive under light throttle and low revs. Of course, the proper way to do it would be to set it to give the specced output voltage when closed - if I knew what it should be! In any case, after making any adjustments to the fuel system it would be worth disconnecting the battery for a while so the ECU re-learns the new engine characteristics on next run (if that's not crediting it with more intelligence than it has) - it made a difference to the operation of the EGR valve solenoid following the repair I did to the ECU a while back... Darren
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sector-9
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Re: Adjusting 'on-boost' fuelling - 115PS diesels
« Reply #6 on: Jul 8th, 2006, 7:25pm » |
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Have now added step-by-step photos and edited the text to correct a few errors. So far it seems to have made no or very little difference to my economy but is much more enjoyable to drive. Unfortunately it hasn't helped with towing but I think that's because at the legal limit of 60mph the engine is doing less than 2000 revs in fifth gear and at this point the turbo isn't doing much. Above 2K and it's fine, even in fifth... Darren
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taliban aka Cheekyboy2
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Re: Adjusting 'on-boost' fuelling - now with pics!
« Reply #7 on: Jul 12th, 2006, 12:04am » |
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excellent write up, will give this a go when i have some time....
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Dave
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Re: Adjusting 'on-boost' fuelling - now with pics!
« Reply #8 on: Jul 12th, 2006, 9:39am » |
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I think I know why your Scorpio is so poor economy wise, you are comparing it to that Daewoo Matiz next to it, aren't you
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Dave2302
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Re: Adjusting 'on-boost' fuelling - now with pics!
« Reply #9 on: Jul 12th, 2006, 2:34pm » |
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Try injecting a small amount of LPG into the Manifold under full load condition, via a solenoid with micro switch at 7/8 throttle. It will take off like a scalded cat !!
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sector-9
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Re: Adjusting 'on-boost' fuelling - now with pics!
« Reply #10 on: Jul 12th, 2006, 11:14pm » |
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Yes but I only want it take off in a forward direction - not in all directions at once (a.k.a exploding!). My knowledge of LPG is limited to caravan systems and refilling my butane soldering iron... Darren
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