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cossieguy
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Mirror probs continued
« on: Sep 14th, 2006, 10:46am » |
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Right have changed my passenger mirror and still have the same problem,
1. Mirror dips all the way to floor when in reverse
2. Doesn't return to original starting point when put back in drive
3. When unlocking the car mirror points fully upwards
4. Rarely the mirror points all the way down and wont come up.
My question is where does the control signals for the mirror come from is it the passenger door module or the drivers side module? Or do the two work together?
Any help would be great.
PS when moving mirror normally its fine, it seems to be its memory and reversing signals that are screwed up.
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #1 on: Sep 14th, 2006, 11:56am » |
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I'm interested in this one too, I have one doing the same, Swapped it for a known good mirror yesterday and still drops, I assume its not the mirrors but the control/module?
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #2 on: Sep 14th, 2006, 5:55pm » |
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can they be reset ? and are they connected to the gear box so then it knows from that when car is in reverse ?
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #3 on: Sep 14th, 2006, 6:09pm » |
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on Sep 14th, 2006, 10:46am, cossieguy wrote:3. When unlocking the car mirror points fully upwards
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Just wondered if the remote is programmed to the seat & whether you've saved the the seat setting after altering the mirror?
Dave
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #4 on: Sep 14th, 2006, 6:12pm » |
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Yes, the mirror is connected to the gearbox, or at least the control module is connected somewhere in the reversing lamp circuit; when my reverse switch packed up both the lamps and the dipping mirror died.
The door mirror motor is no way intelligent, even if part of it was on the rambo it wouldn't have gremlins like what you describe. A long shot may be to check the multi-connector on the door post; other than that, check the connections to the module and try another module 
@ Dave: True, but it still doesn't explain why it doesn't return after reversing 
Regards, Bruce.
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #5 on: Sep 14th, 2006, 6:30pm » |
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on Sep 14th, 2006, 6:12pm, TiberiuS wrote:
@ Dave: True, but it still doesn't explain why it doesn't return after reversing
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Indeed, but I was only answering point 3
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cossieguy
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #6 on: Sep 15th, 2006, 6:58am » |
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Thanks for the input Dave and Bruce, i'll try and clarify a few things to help with diagnosis:
1, Have reset the memory for the seats/mirrors loadsa times. Memory function appears to be working on everything apart from passenger mirror (Which does work but very rarely).
2, As mirror does dip in reverse(Though too far) the gear box signal must be getting to the mirror(It just doesn't know when to stop dipping)
3, As in essence all the signals are getting to the mirror then wiring should be ok.
4, Which leaves the control modules, the signals look like they're being changed/altered by either of the modules.
I hate this sort of fault! Everything works in essence, the mirror moves,it dips when in reverse(Though too far). It trys to go back to original position after dipping but doesn't get there.
Being an electronics technician
 this sounds a bit like a bad earth, which is just about the most awkward thing to find 
Highlander, w'ell have to keep each other posted on this one, It might make sense to attack this from two different angles. I've spoken to Shaun on here about getting the modules, if you can check the wiring i'll change the modules rather than us both spending money to get to the fault
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #7 on: Sep 15th, 2006, 12:09pm » |
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Hi
Thought I read on the mailing list that the memory for the mirror is in the seat module not the door modules?
Can’t imagine this is of help, but if you put it in reverse and the mirror dips then press & hold the seat memory button, does the mirror return to the normal position?
Mine does.
Dave
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #8 on: Sep 15th, 2006, 3:55pm » |
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Dave, i'm almost convinced this is a memory fault! If i set the memory for my positions then move the drivers seat and both mirrors, lock the car then unlock it this happens:
1. drivers seat moves back to stored position
2. drivers mirror moves back to stored position
3. passenger mirror does nothing.
As the mirror operates correctly off rotary movement switch, and it dips in reverse(though too far) the mirror is working!
The memory function isn't working so that the "system" doesn't know what position the mirror is in.
Question now is what could cause the car not to know what position the passenger mirror is at?
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #9 on: Sep 15th, 2006, 8:00pm » |
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OLD age = LOSS OF SHORT TERM MEMORY ... I know 
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #10 on: Sep 15th, 2006, 8:12pm » |
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Dave, do you mean me or the car
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #11 on: Sep 15th, 2006, 9:03pm » |
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Had a look at wiring,the memory sets into the drivers side module but it would seem this one tells the pass. side one what to do,so it looks like its a 50/50 job. But it also shows a feed to the DLC so it may show up a code if you can scan it !!
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #12 on: Sep 15th, 2006, 9:15pm » |
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The passenger side mirror control module? I had my passenger door to bits the other week and I'm pretty sure it's lurking in there somewhere
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #13 on: Sep 16th, 2006, 6:52am » |
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on Sep 15th, 2006, 9:15pm, TiberiuS wrote:| The passenger side mirror control module? I had my passenger door to bits the other week and I'm pretty sure it's lurking in there somewhere |
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Saw it,undid it, dropped it down inside of door When changing pass mirror. So know how to change it!
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cossieguy
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #14 on: Oct 4th, 2006, 1:58pm » |
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Right, have changed the passenger and drivers control modules today. The problem is still the same! Now really suspect the memory of that mirror. i.e when you input the seats and mirrors into the memory i think the passenger one isn't being logged so when you go into reverse or unlock the car it doesn't know where to go so just goes as low as it can. Where does the signal go to when you input the memory positions?(Through the 3 way memory switch).
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #15 on: Oct 4th, 2006, 4:02pm » |
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Hi
Have you checked the connections to the seat module, I'm sure I've read that's where the position is stored.
Dave
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #16 on: Oct 4th, 2006, 5:12pm » |
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Sorry mate, would've bet my life on it being one of the door modules
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #17 on: Oct 4th, 2006, 6:01pm » |
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on Oct 4th, 2006, 4:02pm, Tompion wrote:
Have you checked the connections to the seat module, I'm sure I've read that's where the position is stored.
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Where does the seat module reside? If that's where the input from the memory switch goes should be easy to at least test the continuity of that cable.
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #18 on: Oct 4th, 2006, 6:13pm » |
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under the seat..........
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Re: Mirror probs continued
« Reply #19 on: Oct 4th, 2006, 8:49pm » |
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on Oct 4th, 2006, 6:13pm, solarpanel wrote:
Cheers Doug Guess i left myself open for that
Do you agree that's the next place to try? There's about 3 or 4 of us on here with this same fault so would be nice to trace and fix it.
Guy.
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