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solarpanel
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just scrapped my old police cossie and i have kepted the ecu just noticed it has a sign on it saying its not programed by ford, question is whats the difference
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #1 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 8:17am » |
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MORE power ?
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #2 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 8:20am » |
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The Police ones if I remember correctly were unrestricted so in theory could exceed the 147mph as listed by Ford in their paperwork.
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #3 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 8:28am » |
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on Aug 2nd, 2007, 8:20am, Snoopy wrote:The Police ones if I remember correctly were unrestricted so in theory could exceed the 147mph as listed by Ford in their paperwork.
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Aha! Ok, so there's no RPM limiter in it then.. I think it is
possible also to change the programming in order to
achieve more bhp from the engine. That's what they do
for the police cars in Finland. The ones that are used in
traffic control (highway patrol, unmarked police vehicle etc.)
usually are more powerful.
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #4 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 8:19pm » |
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well when i was driving it, it did seem to have more go in it than the ghia x i now drive,what would happen if i fitted the ecu to the ghia x
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #5 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 5:21am » |
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Is it a Cossie? Your current Ghia X ? You can always try it out, but the PATS
may prevent it from starting. I'm not sure about, but it won't re-program
it or anything like that.
Hopefully someone who's tried that will reply.
Personally I will try a BOB engine ECU into a BOA and see what happens.
Just out of curiosity. Might even break something and get me more
time with my machines 
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #6 on: Aug 4th, 2007, 11:04pm » |
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ghia x is cosworth powered too
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #7 on: Aug 5th, 2007, 6:26am » |
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ok, you can try it if you like but I think PATS will disable the car. I've done an engine swap from 24V to 16V and the ECU has changed as well. It's a no go. Now waiting what Ford says.
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #8 on: Aug 5th, 2007, 3:23pm » |
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Not to rain on anyone's parade here but there's no limiter on the 24v, it won't pull above 140 mph or so in standard form. They don't normally limit cars until they can get above about 160. 140mph for a 200bhp engine in a 1500kg lump is good going, be happy
Perhaps with some ECU upgrades it might, maybe the police version is chipped?
If I had one of these and the money to spend, I always thought the 2.3 or the 24v would lend itself well to supercharging  . But I guess then you'd have to start rebuilding with forged pstons and drop the compression ratio 
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #9 on: Aug 5th, 2007, 7:41pm » |
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the cossie has 200 bhp because ford lost their bottle and down tuned it. when the lump left cosworth is was pushing 300bhp 
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #10 on: Aug 6th, 2007, 5:31am » |
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TiberiuS, you say there's no limiter - with limiter I meant the RPM limiter, cutting ignition at the point
of max RPM. I'm fairly sure there's that in the cossie.
300bhp - right mate - I've been told by the experts that the max you can get out of this engine
without going to absolute extremes is around 450bhp. That whould be quite enough for the A4LDE
I live in a very small town in middle/eastern Finland and we're lucky to have a true Ford wizard
living in the same town. He's summer car is a Ford Sierra 2.0 OHC... and a turbo of course...
and a lot of magic of his own... and 537bhp (measured and documented with a dynotester)
BUT IT'S STILL A SIERRA
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #11 on: Aug 6th, 2007, 7:18am » |
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on Aug 6th, 2007, 5:31am, pappa wrote:
300bhp - right mate - I've been told by the experts that the max you can get out of this engine
without going to absolute extremes is around 450bhp. That whould be quite enough for the A4LDE
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300 without turbous. Just normal aspirated. The engine lost almost 100 horses due to exhausts, software program, different cams.
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #12 on: Aug 6th, 2007, 9:28am » |
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300 horses? On the Ford LDE box?
Hmmm, I think I'd get a ZF or something. I had enough of the A4 box being fed just 150 to last me a lifetime
Or a manual, I still fancy one of these with a proper pudding stirrer
The 24v should pull around 160 on the stock gearing if it topped out at the redline, I think now it'll top out at 5100rpm or something?
Another 80 horses should see you to the redline
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #13 on: Aug 6th, 2007, 9:36am » |
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Granny shifts up at around 5600. Haven't tested it on Top Gear, I need my lisence for the work
trips But have done 200km/h on an empty highway one night for a short period of time.
Odd... the driveability is excellent even at that speed and it's the same with the Scorps 24v.
Feels like it's getting better at higher speeds. Must be because all the slack from the bushes
gets pushed back with a force
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #14 on: Aug 6th, 2007, 9:41am » |
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At 160 km/h my 2.3 feels like a boat, but at 200 transforms int-o a brick .... a very fast brick.... With cossie i did 190 km/h and it was still in 3-rd gear 
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #15 on: Aug 6th, 2007, 9:53am » |
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Off topic we went, with high speed!
Back to a bit closer to the topic, just a stupid question which I'm sure the answer yes, they're
different (desperately searching my way into the light, I guess): Is the programming for
the ECU's different for 16V and 24V ? The program is not detecting that aye this is a 16V
lump you got in there, let's run the 16V branch.
I have a -97 Cossie, which I was about to break, but decided not to (Nice color, body in excellent
condition, normal Cossie things to fix etc), so I could try with it's pats + ecu. But they're different,
I'm sure of it.
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Re: ecu 24v
« Reply #16 on: Aug 6th, 2007, 11:06am » |
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on Aug 5th, 2007, 7:41pm, Matt wrote:| the cossie has 200 bhp because ford lost their bottle and down tuned it. when the lump left cosworth is was pushing 300bhp |
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where did you dig that information up? Would like to read
the "source" - see what it was like before it was tamed.
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