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amigafan2003
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This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« on: Sep 19th, 2007, 8:00pm » |
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Just been quoted on on all the parts needed to change a timing chain for the Cosworth 24v - a tad over £1000! Yikes, I think someone needs to update the main page on the site. Think I'll just let the engine run until it snaps and bung a 2nd hand unit in!
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Sump Plug
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1454117(QTY1)
You Pay: £1.43
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Sump Washer
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1454118(QTY1)
You Pay: .19p
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Hydraulic Tensioner RH
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1049826(QTY1)
You Pay: £77.33
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Main Fan Belt
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7310607(QTY1)
You Pay: £11.45
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Hydraulic Tensioner Gaskets
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7334674(QTY2)
You Pay: £1.39each
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Sump Gasket
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 6643926(QTY1)
You Pay: £30.10
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-A/C Belt
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7082866(QTY1)
You Pay: £7.05
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Front Crankshaft Seal
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7334625(QTY1)
You Pay: £8.07
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Timing Chain Guide
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1008459(QTY2)
You Pay: £7.36
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Timing Chain Guide
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7334661(QTY1)
You Pay: £12.37
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Timing Chain Guide
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1008399(QTY1)
You Pay: £7.36
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Timing Chain Guide
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7334660(QTY1)
You Pay: £12.37
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Timing Chain Tensioner
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1008390(QTY1)
You Pay: £23.52
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Timing Chains
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1049824(QTY2)
You Pay: £77.33each
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Oil Filter
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 5024424(QTY1)
You Pay: £3.39
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Hydraulic Tensioner LH
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7334668(QTY1)
You Pay: £77.33
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Water Pump Gasket
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1644432(QTY1)
You Pay: £1.00
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Timing Chain Tensioner
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1008387(QTY1)
You Pay: £23.52
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Sprocket Oil Pump Aux Drive
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7334662(QTY1)
You Pay: £31.30
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Timing Cover Gasket
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7334600(QTY1)
You Pay: £11.79
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Gaskets Inlet Plenum Chamber
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1006844(QTY2)
You Pay: £1.74each
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Sprocket Crankshaft
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1037686(QTY2)
You Pay: £31.31
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Sprocket Camshaft RH
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7334672(QTY2)
You Pay: £43.00each
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Sprocket Camshaft LH
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7334673(QTY2)
You Pay: £43.00each
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-O Rings Plenum Chamber
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1019406(QTY2)
You Pay: £2.16each
Quote from fordparts.co.uk - worked out about £200 cheaper than from Ford themselves.
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Jonnycab
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #1 on: Sep 20th, 2007, 12:04am » |
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Wow....that's some shopping list 
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #2 on: Sep 20th, 2007, 12:18am » |
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he forgot the oil to fill it up afterwards!! there's another £40.00
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #3 on: Sep 20th, 2007, 8:02am » |
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Wondering if it's worthwhile just to change the tensioners and the guides but leave all the sprockets and chains as they are?
Engine only rattles for a second on startup and a very intemittent rattle when warm (i.e. they'll be a microsecond rattle then nothing for a few seconds, then another slight rattle, then nothing for while etc. Can't be heard in the cabin).
Then again, just added up all the parts to see how much it would be to take everything off for a good visual inspection, only £100 inc oil and coolant. I think I'll do that, and if the chain and sprockets look ok, I'll replace any guides that need replacing ands clean the hydrualic tensioners. Should be a cheaper way to do it - I'm not looking to get the engine to 200,000 miles, just a few years luxurious motoring 
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #4 on: Sep 20th, 2007, 9:28pm » |
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Just ordered the following to do the job - lets just hope it's only the guides/blades that need attention.
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Sump Plug
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1454117(QTY1)
Retail Price: £1.59
You Pay: £1.43
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Sump Washer
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1454118(QTY1)
Retail Price: .22p
You Pay: .19p
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Hydraulic Tensioner Gaskets
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7334674(QTY2)
Retail Price: £1.63each
You Pay: £1.39each
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Sump Gasket
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 6643926(QTY1)
Retail Price: £35.41
You Pay: £30.10
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Front Crankshaft Seal
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7334625(QTY1)
Retail Price: £9.49
You Pay: £8.07
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Timing Chain Guide
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1008459(QTY2)
Retail Price: £8.66
You Pay: £7.36
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Timing Chain Guide
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7334661(QTY1)
Retail Price: £14.55
You Pay: £12.37
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Timing Chain Guide
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1008399(QTY1)
Retail Price: £8.66
You Pay: £7.36
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Timing Chain Guide
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7334660(QTY1)
Retail Price: £14.55
You Pay: £12.37
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Timing Chain Tensioner
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1008390(QTY1)
Retail Price: £27.67
You Pay: £23.52
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Oil Filter
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 5024424(QTY1)
Retail Price: £4.52
You Pay: £3.39
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Water Pump Gasket
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1644432(QTY1)
Retail Price: £1.18
You Pay: £1.00
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 (24V)-Timing Chain Tensioner
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1008387(QTY1)
Retail Price: £27.67
You Pay: £23.52
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Timing Cover Gasket
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 7334600(QTY1)
Retail Price: £13.87
You Pay: £11.79
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-Gaskets Inlet Plenum Chamber
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1006844(QTY2)
Retail Price: £2.05each
You Pay: £1.74each
Scorpio Cosworth 2.9V6 24V-O Rings Plenum Chamber
From: 15-10-1994 To: 15-07-1998
Part Number: 1019406(QTY2)
Retail Price: £2.54each
You Pay: £2.16each
Postage & Packing
Parcel Force UK 2Day Service £5.00
Prices subject to VAT @ 17.5%
Total Cost: £185.71
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #5 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 12:16am » |
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Wow.....that's some shopping list....again 
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #6 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 10:06pm » |
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you do know that all cosworths have the slight rattle on start up dont you?. mine used to do it all the time but since switching to magnatex oil start up chirp much improved.
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #7 on: Sep 22nd, 2007, 11:41am » |
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Well thats not true, I have two that dont, even after a couple of months standing and I've seen plenty others that dont.
Its one of those things sellers use on their description...
"Slight rattle on start up but then they all do dont they"
NO they bloody dont!
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #8 on: Sep 22nd, 2007, 2:18pm » |
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spot on highlander, bout time somebody put the issue straight, cant stand it when people generalise on cars
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #9 on: Sep 22nd, 2007, 7:54pm » |
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Well mine has rattled since I bought it with 50K on the clock and it now has 106k. If it goes bang I'll buy another. Seems cheaper than fixing it!!
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #10 on: Sep 22nd, 2007, 7:57pm » |
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Yep thats my point of view
It seems a lot of money for what is now an "old" car 
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #11 on: Sep 22nd, 2007, 11:13pm » |
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No a 24V engine should not rattle at any time.
They can last ages thou with a rattle.
It is so important to change the oil when you should.
That is what makes the difference
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #12 on: Sep 23rd, 2007, 8:20am » |
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mine has rattled on start up for 1 second since i have had it. (51,000) now on 57,000. i have changed the oil and filter every 1,000 miles. chains and guides are in perfect condition. but it still rattles if left standing for awhile.
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #13 on: Sep 23rd, 2007, 10:15pm » |
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Trust me they shouldn't rattle, I have rebuilt over 20 BOBs now, some for Ford dealerships & they don't rattle after I have rebuilt them 
I rebuilt a BOB that was like new last year that had only done 33K & even that had 2 broken guides.
Funny thing was it didn't rattle but had lost oil pressure due to the broken guides blocking up the oil pick-up 
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #14 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 7:48pm » |
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on Sep 22nd, 2007, 7:54pm, Baz wrote:| Well mine has rattled since I bought it with 50K on the clock and it now has 106k. If it goes bang I'll buy another. Seems cheaper than fixing it!! |
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If that happens I would be interrested in the broken cyl heads.....
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #15 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 10:07pm » |
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It's not the rattle on startup that I'm concerned about, it's the intermittent rattle when warm that's got me planning to do the blades.
Besides, £180 to get the engine sorted (which otherwise runs as sweet as a nut) or £250 for an engine off of ebay of unkown origin and condition?
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #16 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 3:02pm » |
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Right - now I'm really confused by all the replies here.
On the one hand, some people seem to saythe rattle is a bad thing and get it sorted.
Others are saying live with the rattle, the engine still might last a while yet.
Some others are saying just let it go bang and drop another engine in.
I'd be interested how easy it is to lift an engine out with the gearbox in situ and drop a replacement in. I was thinking of keeping all the guides/blades in case the engine goes pop and bung them on the replacement engine whilst it's out of the car. I have an engine crane and stand so that's not an issue.
As always, interested in your opinions.
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #17 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 6:06pm » |
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Well heres my opinion on it
No they are not supposed to rattle, if they do it means something is wrong.
However a lot of them live with the rattle for years with no problem.
If you do the job its expensive (£1000 plus even if you do it yourself)
If a chain breaks or jumps a cog then the repair job will cost around the same price (£1000 plus)
You could replace the engine with a second hand one, i've seen them go on here for £100 which seems well worth a gamble.
In summary, i'd say spending £1000 on a car that probably wont be worth much more than that even with new chains fitted seems false economy.
Personally I'd always go down the replacement engine route especially if you are doing it yourself (but i'm a tight Scotsman)
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #18 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 7:02pm » |
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on Sep 25th, 2007, 6:06pm, Highlander wrote:If a chain breaks or jumps a cog then the repair job will cost around the same price (£1000 plus)
You could replace the engine with a second hand one, i've seen them go on here for £100 which seems well worth a gamble.
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My thoughts entirely
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Re: This is how much a Timing Chain change costs
« Reply #19 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 7:31pm » |
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Okay, engine replacement route sounds like a plan then - lets hope it doesn't go pop while I'm on holiday (then again, I have full RAC cover so meh).
So, what's it like to remove an engine from a Scorpio then? I could get my EFI Pinto out of the Sierra with my eyes closed but the Scorp looks a bit more involved. I'd be interested if it could be done with the box in place.
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