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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #20 on: Jul 2nd, 2008, 6:29pm » |
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the mt75 on the rx4x4 has another unit for the front output shaft so unless u wanna convert the scorpio to 4 wheel drive (it has been done!) its no use apart from the bell housing and i believe the rdw sierras used the type 9 box
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #21 on: Jul 2nd, 2008, 11:01pm » |
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Oh right I knew about the transfer box on the 4x4 gearbox (not planning to convert to 4WD) but as far as I know whilst earlier Sierras used Type 9's some later ones used MT75's (theres a 2WD Sierra MT75 on Ebay at the moment). From what I've read I need to use the bell housing end of the casing and the input shaft from the V6 4x4 box and the rest of the internals and the output shaft end of the casing from a 2WD box. Then with whats left I can make a gearbox that can be used to convert a 4 cylinder 2WD car to a 4WD one. I'm still not sure where the Scorpio diesel box fits in to all this. Isn't it the same as a 2.0 or 2.3 manual box?
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #22 on: Jul 4th, 2008, 4:25pm » |
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the diesel box is the better one as the ratios are better for the v6 engine, also being the diesel box it will take the torque of the cossie's lump,
i'll take a pic of all the bits, ive got all the bits to do mine, its just finding the time/space to do it in 
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #23 on: Jul 6th, 2008, 12:47pm » |
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my brother and me converted a e reg granada 2.9 auto to manual mt75 in 1990.using a genuine 2.9 mt75 thanks to big footed plod.we had to use the 2.9 mt75 flywheel.its thicker than type 9 2.9 .also had to change pedelbox to fit cable clutch.the speedometer drive can be ether fly by wire or cable.we also converted a 5 stud cosworth
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #24 on: Jul 18th, 2008, 10:56pm » |
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Would it be easier to convert to four wheel drive then? 
4x4 box, cable clutch and pedals, front driveshafts and sump??
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #25 on: Jul 18th, 2008, 11:49pm » |
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no.scorpio 1995 connot be converted to 4x4 .unless you revert to old granada 4x4 aloy bed.even then ford had to cut the chassis legs to get the drive shafts in
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #26 on: Jul 20th, 2008, 2:28pm » |
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I can get a box from a D reg Granada 2.8 4x4 would this be a MT75? any of you old guys remember?? 
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #27 on: Jul 20th, 2008, 10:55pm » |
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}no sorrey type 9{
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #28 on: Jul 21st, 2008, 6:09pm » |
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they can be converted into 4x4 you need the 4x4 sump so that the front diff will fit, and the front subfame
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #29 on: Jul 22nd, 2008, 10:58am » |
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Ok I have a diesel box, and prop, should have a 4x4 MT75 by Friday, fingers crossed.
So i need the 4x4's flywheel to go with the box?
Does the 24v starter work with that or do i need the 4x4 starter?
Then i need to steal an Escort Cosworth clutch from somewhere!!
Would the diesels clutch not do?? i'm guessing no or you would have used it but why doesnt it?
pedals next then i'm ready to start thinking about actually doing it!
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #30 on: Jul 23rd, 2008, 6:09pm » |
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not you an all highlander!!
hope the prop u have is from a manual, an auto's ine wont fit
the diesels clutch aint up to the job to put it simply, you can get the escort cos clutch for arround £120
you'll also need the spigiot bearing for the flywheel and the 6 flywheel bolts, the ones that hold the torque converter wont fit
oh and if u wanna go mad like me, keep hold of yer 2ltr diff 
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #31 on: Jul 23rd, 2008, 6:15pm » |
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Yep, got the diesel prop too
So the starter/flywheel issue?? 24v starter ok on 4x4 flywheel?
Just wondered about the diesel clutch because the diesel actually has a higher torque rating than the 24v therefore i would have assumed the diesel clutch would have been more than adequate??
Just thinking out loud though
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #32 on: Jul 23rd, 2008, 6:16pm » |
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p.s. I've just removed a 98 build 2.3 engine and box and the box is nowhere near as heavy or as sturdy looking as the diesel box I have... thought they would look the same
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #33 on: Jul 23rd, 2008, 6:18pm » |
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on Jul 23rd, 2008, 6:09pm, Matt wrote:| oh and if u wanna go mad like me, keep hold of yer 2ltr diff |
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and theres still the 4.0 Explorer block to come after this one
(cue Baz mumping about fuel prices!)
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #34 on: Jul 23rd, 2008, 6:19pm » |
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yeah it should be fine if you flywheel is in good nick, they one i have runs smoothly enough,
i think its more to do with where the torque is produced, in the diesel the torque is low down in the revs, so the clutch has less chance of slipping as its not turning as fast,
the cossie is at top torque at arround the 3500-4000 rpm mark, and as u know its a low more fierce delivery, when you get the flywheel you'll see the size of the friction surface
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #35 on: Jul 23rd, 2008, 6:22pm » |
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you'll more then likely have yours done before mine, ive got to get rid of at least 1 spare scoprio then im fully rebuilding my spare cossie lump (gaskets came today ) the front suspension, brakes and then of corse the box
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #36 on: Jul 24th, 2008, 10:19pm » |
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Without having looked at the engine and diesel box, a metal fabricator friend of mine reckons I may be able to have an adaptor plate to fit the diesel box made and retain the Scorpios hydraulic clutch...
Any thoughts, ideas or ridiculing on that idea??
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #37 on: Jul 25th, 2008, 4:36pm » |
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may work mate just have to make sure the escort clutch will fit between the flywheel and the hydraulic bearing, and that the diesel box bellhousing will go over the flywheel
its quite a chunkey bit of kit lol
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #38 on: Sep 2nd, 2008, 12:04pm » |
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on Jul 4th, 2008, 4:25pm, Matt wrote:the diesel box is the better one as the ratios are better for the v6 engine, also being the diesel box it will take the torque of the cossie's lump,
i'll take a pic of all the bits, ive got all the bits to do mine, its just finding the time/space to do it in |
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it would be very helpful
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Re: Manual Cosworth?
« Reply #39 on: Sep 2nd, 2008, 12:10pm » |
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on Jul 23rd, 2008, 6:16pm, Highlander wrote:| p.s. I've just removed a 98 build 2.3 engine and box and the box is nowhere near as heavy or as sturdy looking as the diesel box I have... thought they would look the same |
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how can this be if both are MT75, any coments? Matt?
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