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BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 valve
« on: Apr 28th, 2008, 11:00pm » |
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Hi There
I have a ford Scorpio 1995 2 litre 16 valve injected automatic executive saloon. I would be grateful if someone could tell me what the bhp for this engine is.
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 valve
« Reply #1 on: Apr 28th, 2008, 11:15pm » |
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according to the handbook its 136...
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 valve
« Reply #2 on: Apr 29th, 2008, 6:59am » |
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Quite a bit down on the 150bhp on the same engine fitted to the RS2000, I also notice that the torque figure is down too
Anyone have any ideas why the power is down so much ?
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 valve
« Reply #4 on: Apr 29th, 2008, 7:11am » |
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Thats quite a few changes !
However, I would have expected the Scorp engine to have more torque than the RS2000, yet it appears to be around 15nm down, although its max torque is produced some 300rpm lower
Even so, I doubt its torque curve is significantly better than that of the RS2000's
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 v
« Reply #5 on: Apr 29th, 2008, 8:58am » |
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Four main reasons for the drop in power:-
Compression ratio is down from 10:3 to 9.8
EGR system
Exhaust system is tuned to quietness on the Scorp, rather than power on the RS2000.
EEC-V maps for the Scorpio's aren't as "aggressive" as the maps for EEC-IV controlled RS2000's (RS2000 maps apparently assume 95 ron fuel where as EEC-V maps assume 87 ron fuel)
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 valve
« Reply #6 on: Apr 29th, 2008, 11:24am » |
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Hi taliban aka Cheekyboy2
Thank you for the information. I have seen 136 PS in the handbook but I didn’t know if this was the same as bhp
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 v
« Reply #7 on: Apr 29th, 2008, 12:22pm » |
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PS is a European version of horsepower. IIRC it's around 98% of bhp.
Haven't compared the power curves but I would've expected the Scorpio version to be tuned for more low/mid torque rather than high end bhp. It's also a heavier car and geared a lot taller so go figure what that means for the 0-60 times even before you start taking power away through EGR, restrictive cats and silencer boxes and the auto sucks a good deal of engine power too before it gets to the wheels (figures of around 15-20% on most RWD autos compared to maybe 10-12% for the average manual).
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 valve
« Reply #8 on: Apr 29th, 2008, 4:58pm » |
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Hi Bruce
Thank you for this information the ford Scorpio owners manual can be quite confusing.
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 valve
« Reply #9 on: Apr 29th, 2008, 5:21pm » |
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What i dont understand about the 2.0ltr is why is it so slow when compared to the 2.3 version ? ? ? There is only 9hp difference but over 2 secs slower to 60 mph  .Surley 9hp wont make that much difference !!!
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 valve
« Reply #10 on: Apr 29th, 2008, 5:26pm » |
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I guess its the torque difference ?
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 v
« Reply #11 on: Apr 29th, 2008, 6:15pm » |
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PS is short for Pferdestärke which funnily enough is German for Horse Power 
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 valve
« Reply #12 on: Apr 29th, 2008, 8:04pm » |
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i think the reason for the scorp lump being down on power compared to the RS2000 (other than the excellent technical replies) is probably cos thats what ford wanted, longevity, more reliable workhorse, and of course if you wanted your scorp a bit more sporty then you had that option (for more dollars) with the bigger engines and the cossie.
does it really matter if figures from some years ago put one 2 seconds slower than another? in the real world will it notice? and always bear in mind ; how accurate are these figures? even on brand new vehicles they dont relate to real world; are they tested on streets? with various road surfaces? wind speed/direction? or on a closed circuit? rolling road?....
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 v
« Reply #13 on: Apr 30th, 2008, 7:28am » |
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I have put my hands on some performance certificates containing the 2.0 and 2.3 real power / torque graphs
2.0 16 V has a real power of 125 bhp @ 6401 rpm and a torque of 155 Nm @ 4410 rpm
2.3 16 V has a real power of 132 bhp @ 5498 rpm and a torque of 180 Nm @ 2501 rpm
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 v
« Reply #14 on: Apr 30th, 2008, 12:23pm » |
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Octavian, what are the 'real' power ratings you quoted? RWHP? Seem a bit high for RWHP, peak torque RPM on the 2.3 seems too low for a 4 pot,more like what you'd get from a 6 or 8
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 v
« Reply #15 on: May 1st, 2008, 6:47am » |
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Here is it 
2.3
The 2.3 engine is the same that was fitted to the 2.3 Galaxy
2.0
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 valve
« Reply #16 on: May 1st, 2008, 7:08am » |
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 v
« Reply #17 on: May 2nd, 2008, 10:51am » |
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Peak torque is too low, 2.3 doesn't peak until the mid 4k's,mine wouldn't start singing until almost 4000rpm, although it was nice at those revs if I erased all thoughts of imploding head gaskets and inlet maniolds from my mind
It's a lovely engine but if you guys really want something more meaty than a 2.0, you really gotta move up to 24v territory, then you get the torque (surely torque means more, all this obsession with top heavy BHP tuned power curves ). The Scorp is a heavy car, the day I realised my Scorp wasn't born to be a sports car was the day I got overtaken by a weedy Focus TDCi in a cloud of black smoke while I was going full bore 
I could outrun an A class Merc with ease, did the same with a couple of 320i Beemers, could keep up (almost) with a 2.5 Mondeo...but if you want to punch above your weight you need at the least a 2.3 with a manual shifter or V6
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 v
« Reply #18 on: May 2nd, 2008, 11:29am » |
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on May 2nd, 2008, 10:51am, TiberiuS wrote:| ...but if you want to punch above your weight you need at the least a 2.3 with a manual shifter or V6 |
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The 2.3 could have higher torque because of the double-balancing system. In the oil pan there are two counterweights-shafts which spin in opposite directions (they rob about 15 hp). Bolting on the 2.0 intake manifold to the 2.3 really makes it go
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Re: BHP for a ford Scorpio 1995 2 li re 16 valve
« Reply #19 on: May 2nd, 2008, 11:49am » |
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Im sure with my 2.0 16V Auto I could out drag my wifes 1.4 Corsa Merit Auto, all 50bhp of it
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