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Waglet
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Had a non-starting incident. I think it was immobiliser related. I don't have a Red Key for the vehicle can I get one?
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #1 on: Feb 1st, 2009, 8:00am » |
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Yes if you need one .. A
Many of the auto locksmiths carry the equipment to programme a new RED Key they can be located from HERE
From the past posts on here they charge between £50/70 still cheaper than a FMD as far as I know.
A red key only allows you to programme new keys why do you think its imobiliser related.
Does the LED on the top of the dash flash a code . Check out THIS PAGE which might give some help.
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Waglet
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #2 on: Feb 1st, 2009, 10:49pm » |
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Thanks Snoop. The reason I think its key/mobiliser is that after half a day and a bit desperate I tried the spare key that I was given with the car and it started! This key has a red insert. I retried the other key (this one has the light module and a red insert that has gone a bit brown in colour) and that made the car start as well. Its been OK since.
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #3 on: Feb 2nd, 2009, 7:22pm » |
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Car has failed to start again. Had to leave it at work. Doh. It turns over but fails to start, PATS light seems 'normal'. Had it serviced last week, all was well for 4 days then this. Any clues?
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #4 on: Feb 2nd, 2009, 7:29pm » |
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Try checking the relays. I am sure someone will advise which one to look at first.
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #5 on: Feb 2nd, 2009, 8:15pm » |
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Before you go too far try getting a jump start. IF the battery has been run down it may have enough power to TURN the engine but not sufficient to START the car. 
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Re: Red Key:- Now non starter :(
« Reply #6 on: Feb 4th, 2009, 8:31am » |
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Tried a 'jump', no good. Weird that it failed Friday then started and was fine for 2 days now non starting again. A previous link I've read suggests a crank sensor. I guess I'll call out the breakdown peeps and get it towed to my local chap who serviced and MOT'd it last week. What aggro.
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #7 on: Feb 4th, 2009, 9:45am » |
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Something like that happend to my car but mine didn`t start at all the first time it happend(turns but wont start)...water liking thru dashboard all the way in to ECU...drainholes clogged...result --- ECU corroded and defected...been to few mechanics and they didn`t know whats wrong...they check fuses,wires,fuel pump,sparks, everything but they havent got a clue whats wrong.
Maybe in your case very small amount of water is gettin thru the ECU...so when ECU is dry it works...so you can check ECU also.
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #8 on: Feb 4th, 2009, 11:09am » |
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If it were a PATS problem then the engine wouldn't turn over, so it looks as though it could be something else
Ivan has a point about the ECU. Have you checked the back of it for wetness caused by water leaking in under the battery tray ?
Have you checked the fuel pump relay ?, they can sometimes be a bit temperamental.....& the crankshaft sensor could also be a culprit. Also, check that the small black wire on the battery negative is on nice & tight 
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #9 on: Feb 4th, 2009, 11:50am » |
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Thanks everyone....loads of info for the "fixers" to work on.
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #10 on: Feb 4th, 2009, 12:39pm » |
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Yea I know  
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #11 on: Feb 4th, 2009, 1:47pm » |
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Call out man suspects fuel pump. Is this likely? Any one know which relay is the "fuel pump" one?
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #12 on: Feb 4th, 2009, 3:09pm » |
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Fuel pump relay is 'R17' in the battery side fusebox. It's the big green one with half purple top
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #13 on: Feb 4th, 2009, 7:48pm » |
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Top Man JC. Ordered one this afternoon. Garage man said it smelt a bit burnt! Also fuse box is wet. Doh. The annoying thing is as soon as they took the car off the tow truck it started up OK. Doh again!! They think its not the fuel pump so that'll save a few quid!
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #14 on: Feb 4th, 2009, 10:22pm » |
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If the fusebox is wet you need to resolve it PDQ. Have you got a battery cover fitted and are the 'drain holes' in the bulkhead clear?. Read THIS as it will give you a clear idea of what you can do to ensure all is well in terms of drainage. Is there any sign of water in the passenger footwell or glovebox?.
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #15 on: Feb 4th, 2009, 11:54pm » |
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Yep battery cover in place, I did WD4 the area around the battery as soon as I bought the car last summer. No wet in passenger side etc. I'll get the garage to dry out the area and hope for the best. Just hope it becomes reliable again. You don't realise how much you take the car for granted until you have to use public transport.  Its ironic that only last week I was signing the Scorps praises and thinking how good I felt driving it.
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #16 on: Feb 5th, 2009, 7:49am » |
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Waglet. If it is the drivers side fusebox that is wet you need to make sure that the small drain holes/slots in the bulkhead are also clear. A hair dryer sometimes is enough to remove moisture but ideally keep 'em dry in the first place.
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Re: Red Key:- Back from menders.
« Reply #17 on: Feb 10th, 2009, 10:26am » |
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Got car back yesterday. Right when tested. Doh. So I'm just waiting for it to fail again  They did change the fuel pump relay (green and purple one). On inspection this relay did smell a bit burnt (just like my Scalextrix cars did when they were about to give up the ghost) So fingers crossed........... 
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Re: Red Key.....Failed again
« Reply #18 on: Feb 12th, 2009, 9:30am » |
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Back to drawing board.....failed to start again! Any one want a 24v Purple one?
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Re: Red Key
« Reply #19 on: Feb 17th, 2009, 8:06pm » |
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Gonna call the breakdown dudes again tomorrow and get the Scorp towed back to the menders as it will not start. Not sure how much of this aggro I can take. I really like Scorpios but I must have reliability.
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