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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #20 on: Jul 29th, 2010, 9:55pm » |
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Hi.
2.3 Has camshaft position sensor. How does it work? Does changins camshafts to different model affect in somehow?
Am I right that Crankshaft position sensor is only used when starting engine, and then when it´s running, camshaft position sensor takes place of it.
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #21 on: Jul 29th, 2010, 10:47pm » |
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My guess is that the crankshaft sensor is for the sparks (coils fire on both strokes so no need for half speed sensor) & the camshaft sensor is for timing of the injectors.
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #22 on: Jul 30th, 2010, 9:52am » |
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the 2.0 16v socrpio lump has the same came profile as the rs2000 cams and also has the pickup for the cam sensor
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #23 on: Jul 30th, 2010, 1:17pm » |
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http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/23looms.htm
"The camshaft position sensor (B41) provides the PCM (A147), pin 76, with a reference point for the number 1 cylinder, which is necessary to ensure the correct sequence of injector opening"
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #24 on: Aug 2nd, 2010, 4:04pm » |
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I changed cams..
does not start now 
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #25 on: Aug 2nd, 2010, 4:34pm » |
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Erm... 
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #26 on: Aug 2nd, 2010, 6:07pm » |
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does it turn over?
have the cams you fitted got the pick up lobe for the cam sensor?
cam sensor wire fitted?
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #27 on: Aug 21st, 2010, 1:03pm » |
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on Aug 2nd, 2010, 6:07pm, Matt wrote:
have the cams you fitted got the pick up lobe for the cam sensor?
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how do I find pick up lobe?? WHAT IS IT? cams are from rs2000
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #28 on: Aug 21st, 2010, 1:16pm » |
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look at the cams you took off, one cam (exhaust side i think) will have an extra bit of metal thats also machined / ground like the cam lobes, thats the cam sensor pick up lobe
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #30 on: Aug 21st, 2010, 8:06pm » |
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #31 on: Aug 21st, 2010, 8:21pm » |
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from memory it's a smaller cam shaped lobe, but i could be thinking of the 24v, where does the cam sensor sit on the side of the cylinder head, front or rear of the engine? if both sets of cams are identical (apart from lobe profile) then i see no reason for it not to start
just to clear up any confusion, does the car crank over but not fire? or is it completely dead?
have you fitted the fuel injector multi plug correctly, can sensor plugged in?
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #32 on: Aug 21st, 2010, 8:32pm » |
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It should start & run quite happily with the cam sensor disconnected. – mine does, just tried it to make sure.
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #33 on: Aug 21st, 2010, 8:41pm » |
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one difference there is. Last part of shaft. In opposite place of camshaftgear
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1391/difference.png
but sensor is not quite there.
How does sensor work? Is it magnet, or what? :confused
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #34 on: Jan 21st, 2011, 7:02am » |
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My scorp have now been running with rs2000 cams 
Highly recommended mod 
Stock ecu can cope with them just fine. But I predict bigger (than 177cc@2.7bar) injectors or increased fuel pressure would give more Nm to High rpm's. Now it feels just more torquer at part throttle and low-mid rpms.
On my buy list is rs2000 or SR20DE/KA24DE (is down adjusted 270cc @3bar ->x too big?) sidefeed injectors and fuel pressure regulator kit for adapting stock reg -> adjustable.
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #35 on: Nov 4th, 2011, 10:11am » |
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So, as a conclusion, the RS2000 camshafts will fit a 2.3 engine, without other modifications?
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #36 on: Nov 4th, 2011, 10:43am » |
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Never got to the bottom of the camshaft sensor question did we? 
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #37 on: Nov 4th, 2011, 5:44pm » |
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There is NO need to run 2 ECU's its a bloody nightmare 
If RS2000 ECU is external PATS no need to keep the 2.3 ECU, cos it'll start and run on RS2000 ECU with Scorpio's External PATS Module and Scorpio Key
Even If RS2000 ECU is an internal PATS they aren't that hard to wire up, but you'd need RS2000 Key Reader, and Key to go with it as a set
HTH
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #38 on: Nov 4th, 2011, 5:49pm » |
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on Jul 30th, 2010, 1:17pm, Mike H wrote:http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/23looms.htm
"The camshaft position sensor (B41) provides the PCM (A147), pin 76, with a reference point for the number 1 cylinder, which is necessary to ensure the correct sequence of injector opening"
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Exactly, at best it'll run in Limp Mode without it
Cheers Dave
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Re: RS2000 camshafts to 2.3 16V
« Reply #39 on: Nov 4th, 2011, 10:06pm » |
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To clarify I was suggesting disconnecting the sensor to test if it was receiving the signal incorrectly, not as a solution. However my 2.3 runs perfectly without it – whatever strategy is used it definitely is limping.
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