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Twinktina
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Timing Chain
« on: Nov 20th, 2009, 2:22am » |
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Greeting from the other side of the world.
We didnt have the Scorpio offically imported here in New Zealand, most of the ones here are private imports.
The last Euro Fords made here were the Mk2 Sierras.
Anyway, I have a 2.0L twincam motor that I've been overhauling and I've got a question reagrding the timing chain.
As parts for these cars are not available from Ford here I had to import all the parts from the UK.
I got all the parts from Burtons including an AE brand timing chain.
I'm a little worried about the sideways bow in the new chain.
If i hold the chain at one end horizontaly it has 8 inches of drop at the other end.
The old Ford chain that had done over 200,000Km has only 7 inches of drop.
This dont seem right to me, I am worried that if i put it in it will bust the lower chain guide again.
I asked Burtons about the chain and they said "it's just the way they are" and they pretty much fobbed me off.
What are your guys thoughts, experinces regarding chains?
Also, I got a bottom end gasket kit and it didnt have the front crankshaft seal or lower cover seal in it, it did have the rear crank seal though.
Again I asked Burtons and they said " yeah they dont come with those two parts"
Anyone else brought a bottom end kit and found they were short those two parts?
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Peter
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #1 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 10:33am » |
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Hello and Welcome to the site.
is it the 8v or 16v 2 litre?
Which model year is it?
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Twinktina
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #2 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 8:08pm » |
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The engine is an 8 valve unit, not so sure what year it came from as I've only got the motor and gearbox as a transplant for another vehicle.
It does say N8 on the front.
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #3 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 8:14pm » |
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Is it out of a Scorpio or a Granada?
This is the Scorpio 8v engine code NSD
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #4 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 9:00pm » |
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It was advertised as a scorpio engine / gbox but i didnt see the car it came out of.
It doesnt look like that engine though, it has a black plastic cam cover with a valley running down the middle (not unlike the Lotus head) and the words "2.0 Litre DOHC" on the top.
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #5 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 9:10pm » |
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Sounds like the old Granada Scorpio twin cam.
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #7 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 11:26pm » |
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on Nov 20th, 2009, 10:10pm, Twinktina wrote:
Try this (you just need to know parts FINIS code/number and describe the item. Payment is done via paypal):
https://www.fordpartsuk.com/partsrequest.htm
I have almost same situation, Scorpio parts aren't very widely imported to Finland so I usually make orders from UK.
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #8 on: Nov 21st, 2009, 8:57pm » |
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Here is a picture of the engine.
So does anybody know the FINS code for the chain guides?
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #9 on: Nov 21st, 2009, 11:29pm » |
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GUIDE, LOWER 1022215
GUIDE, UPPER 6177698
It's recommended to change tensioner also..., finis for it is 1662847
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #10 on: Nov 22nd, 2009, 12:07am » |
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Thanks for that,
Yes also changed the tensioner already, in fact have done rings, bearings, valve guides, seals, gaskets, timing chain, oil chain, tensioner, and tensioner arm...in fact almost everything apart from the guides...engine now specs up to factory again.
It's almost back together again looking resplendant in a coat of Ford Blue.
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #11 on: Nov 22nd, 2009, 12:13am » |
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #12 on: Nov 22nd, 2009, 12:39am » |
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Make sure you're getting parts for the N8 engine (I don't know if the parts differ from those on the NSD engine fitted to the Scorpio II)
There's a list of spark plug fitments with engine numbers here:
eBay
It only shows the N8 fitted to some of the Granada & Granada Scorpio I cars.
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #13 on: Nov 22nd, 2009, 12:52am » |
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Indeed. N8 is carburator dohc 8v engine. N9 is with injection.. and NSD is 16V
anyway, I checked again those chain guides. They are used in all of these dohc engines 85-98. Shouldn't need to worry about compatibility
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #14 on: Nov 22nd, 2009, 1:20am » |
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Yes it appears there is a lot of inter-changability between the engine models...infact some of the parts i got already have Zetec markings on them.
I also have the EFI manifold and computer so I could upspec it to a N9 model.
I was hoping to find a 16v head sometime and upgrade. The pistons already have the 4 indentations machined into them for that head.
I have read elsewhere there were more engines after the N8 and N9, including the N7, N5 and N3. I dont know what they were fitted into but supposedly they all share the same sump, bellhousing and head stud patterns and there is a certain amount of inter-changeability.
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #15 on: Nov 22nd, 2009, 1:00pm » |
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Nice to see a proper 8v twink engine  especially a carb lump !
changing to 16v isnt something i'd consider imediately - the beauty of the 8v head is its lazier, torquey nature - and with a few simple mods, it'll output more than the 125bhp the injection version produces.
If you're doing the timing chain, then i'd highly reccomend that you fit the inlet cam from the DOHC injection engine, as it has higher lift/duration than the carb one and will act as a performance cam  no need to swap the exhaust cam, as its the same on carb or injection models.
Dump the TDLM carb - its only a 28mm secondary, and thats vaccum operated too so it wont give much "go". This engine responds VERY well to the 38DGAS carb from the capri  though you will need to make an adaptor between the carb and manifold as the bases are different.
finally, bolt on a free flow filter and a decent exhaust, and the above mods will see in the region of 140bhp/170ftlbs
This might be of help/interest to you too
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330337209169&am p;ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Out of interest.... is this heading into a Cortina ? 
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #16 on: Nov 22nd, 2009, 8:19pm » |
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Yes it is heading to a MK4 Cortina.
The rear disks from a Scorpio have already been fitted to it, will do the front in the future and I've got the ABS computer and loom as well...just didnt fit it yet
Power windows and central locking from it were also fitted.
I was considering fitting an injection cam to the 8v just as a "try it and see" project.
Origonaly i was looking at using a Sierra cosworth engine for the transplant but they are not so common here and the the ones that are around have been messed with and given a hard life by the boy racers.
The other option was buy a whole Sierra cosworth to get the engine but apart from costing 6000-7000 pounds they are all getting quite high in the milage and are going to need some serious money spent.
I read the 8v is a good cruiser engine and thats what I'm after.
Not so much more HP than the origonal SOHC but almost 30% more torque.
It will also be good to have an engine that runs good on unleaded fuel and not have to worry about valve seat ression.
Oh and an engine that doesnt leak oil....
But at least it stopped the underside going rusty..
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #17 on: Nov 23rd, 2009, 11:58am » |
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Cool
I beleive that there is a clearance issue with the injection manifold and the 'tina bonnet so you might have to look into that if you do go with injection. carb should clear fine tho
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #18 on: Nov 23rd, 2009, 5:44pm » |
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on Nov 23rd, 2009, 11:58am, pinto wrote:Cool
I beleive that there is a clearance issue with the injection manifold and the 'tina bonnet so you might have to look into that if you do go with injection. carb should clear fine tho
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hi, just put 24v in my mk3 cortina, was worried about bonnet closing ok but its fine. is the old dohc any taller than the bob? i couldnt say.
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Re: Timing Chain
« Reply #19 on: Nov 23rd, 2009, 7:19pm » |
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Its the angle at which the manifold sits that causes issues i beleive.
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