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Dave2302
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24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« on: May 2nd, 2010, 11:48am » |
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Hi Guys,
Can anone help me out here.....
As some of you may know I'm building a 4x4 24V Cossie Puma.
A bit ahead of myself yet lol, but I,m gonna be using the Puma loom, with extra wires added for the 24V Engine.
I will also be keeping the Puma GEM module which does it's alarm and central locking off the Push Button type Key.
The Puma is EECV, and its PATS is part of the Engine ECU, i.e it is the ECU that needs to "see" the key chip.
Is the Scorpio EECV ECU the same or does it have a separate PATS module which signals the engine ECU 
I want to retain PATS, so do not wish to by pass it.
Does anyone have the wiring diagram that they could PM to me for these systems.
Cheers Dave
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #1 on: May 2nd, 2010, 11:56am » |
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hi there
iirc, the early cars had separate units, but later car were 'built on' to the ecu unit.
hth
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Matt
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #2 on: May 2nd, 2010, 6:33pm » |
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Every scorpio ive seen has had a separate pats module that sat directly next to the ecu
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #3 on: May 2nd, 2010, 7:29pm » |
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Okay, well I guess I'll find out tommorrow, when I strip the dash and loom out of the old girl lol.
Is it labelled, or do I just have to guess which module it is
Does anyone have a wiring diagram ?
Thanks Dave
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #4 on: May 2nd, 2010, 7:47pm » |
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you can get to the ecu and pats by taking the glove box out on a scorp, its a little black unit, sits next to the ecu on a bracket from memory, and does say pats unit on it! you'll have the central control module on top, the ecu its self is well caged in, you'll have to drill out rivets to free it!
from memory its just on connectors through out the whole mess of loom behind the dash, the key transponder is easy to get out once you cut all the loom tape, although a purple/blue (or may be purple/yellow) wire is crimped to a bunch of others and needs cutting out
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #5 on: May 3rd, 2010, 7:32am » |
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NO wiring diagrams ever given to us for the PATS by FORD. Sorry unable to help with that one.
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #6 on: May 3rd, 2010, 11:42am » |
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Okay Snoopy,
Well maybe I can help the site out there, I have a very good mate who works for FMD, workshop Manager,
I just know he'll copy 'em and post them up to me or if he's dissapeared in the last few months since I spoke with him, I'll produce my own diagram.
I'm gonna untape the entire Scorpio loom and pull out every single wire related to the whole Engine and Security Systems, also the whole Climate Control wiring system as it looks like I may be using the Scorpio Heater A/C system in the Puma.
Will let you personally have a copy soon, and its up to you who you give access to it.
Cheers Guys,
Dave
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #7 on: May 3rd, 2010, 12:30pm » |
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if the site doesnt want them can i have a copy please, would help with some of the scorpios i get my hands on
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #8 on: May 3rd, 2010, 1:04pm » |
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Yes Matt, not a problem !!
Further to the forgoing I've just had a brainwave (oh dear).....
Unfortunately the Scorpio engine gearbox and engine / box loom is already remved, so I can't test it properly but....
What I have done is this,
The Puma keys won't (obviously) turn the barrel in the Scorpio steering lock and vice versa, so I unclipped the ignition switch and inserted screwdriver.
Put the red Scorpio key in Scorpio ign barrell and turned ignition on and off, red LED blinked...., quickly turned ign off, removed red Scorpio key and put Puma key in barrell, turned ign on with screwdriver, LED blinked, quickly repeated this with spare Puma key and other black Scorpio Key.
Theoretically I now have 4 keys coded to the Scorpio PATS, but unable to start it up lol, or see power at starter motor wire cos theres no inhibitor switch lol
I performed the following test.....
Removed all keys from the Scorpio and turned ignition on with screwdriver, LED blinks rapidly, presumably telling me PATS has immobilized ?
Then put black Scorpio key in barrell and switched on ignition, one flash at LED then extinguished, presumably ready to start?
Repeated this test with the 2 Puma keys with the same one blink LED result.
So hopefully I have coded both Puma keys to the Scorpio PATS, am I correct ?
Cheers Dave
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #9 on: May 3rd, 2010, 1:19pm » |
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Seems like it,  according to my owner's book:
LED on once for 3 seconds then goes out, key is OK, system is ready to start.
LED flashes rapidly for 1 minute, then repeated at irregular intervals, key code not recognised.
LED on for 1 minute then flashes, system malfunction.
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #10 on: May 3rd, 2010, 1:22pm » |
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I believe you are correct dave, but im sure snoopy will confirm
pm also sent
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #11 on: May 3rd, 2010, 2:05pm » |
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In the absence of 'The all seeing wise one' have a look at This page which should have all the detail you need. 
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #12 on: May 3rd, 2010, 4:28pm » |
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hi dave
if it was me, i'd scrap the PATS and fit something more meaty to protect your investment.
you'd be horrified how easy it is to by pass it.
hth
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #13 on: May 10th, 2010, 6:44pm » |
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on May 3rd, 2010, 4:28pm, scorpio_man wrote:hi dave
if it was me, i'd scrap the PATS and fit something more meaty to protect your investment.
you'd be horrified how easy it is to by pass it.
hth
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By pass the PATS? With the tape the old key to the steering column trick or somat more brutal?
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #14 on: May 11th, 2010, 8:36am » |
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You don't even need an old key - but that's a much as I'm willing to divulge n a public forum.
I have a supplimentary Clifford G5 on my Scorpio.
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #15 on: May 11th, 2010, 1:12pm » |
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As amigafan2003 says its very easy, but again i will not be parting with the information!
a proper wiring diagram of the pats would be helpful to me considering the amount of scrapper fords i tinker with out of scrap yards and the fact i plan to modify my car so that standard bypass methods cannot be used 
the taped key is an easy one but requires a key in the first place
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #16 on: May 14th, 2010, 8:26am » |
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I am sure the site will benefit from a wiring diagram for the PATS but it really is true that it is so very easy to by pass and start the car.... MOST GOOD car thieves know the method already.
It was a good system when it was introduced but has been surpassed by newer and better methods ( I hope).
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #17 on: May 14th, 2010, 9:31am » |
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Has anyone actually heard of a Scorpio being stolen by bypassing the PATS?
In fact I dont think I can remember hearing of a Scorpio ever being stolen..
I think it was PeteB that had an attempted theft but the PATS system saved it?
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #18 on: May 14th, 2010, 12:16pm » |
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ive never heard of a stolen scorpio, seen a few attemts but thats as far as its gone
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Re: 24V Scorpio PATS ???? lololol
« Reply #19 on: May 14th, 2010, 7:32pm » |
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Me neither, but lets face it, if someone really wants to steal your car, they'll winch it up on a recovery lorry in broad daylight, and I bet no one would take a blind bit of notice.
PATS stops spotty oik taking your motor for a joy ride racing the local one way system.
Security is not a priority for me, where we live we don't lock our houses, leave the keys in the cars outside the pub, and think nothing of leaving cash on the bar when we go to the bog.
Everyone knows everyone and we have zero crime rate.
Sadly when I lived "darn sarf", if it weren't welded down or concreted in some theivin' scum bag would nick it 
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