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most useles item on a ultima is
« on: Aug 16th, 2010, 8:48am » |
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diping n-s miror.can you disable or ajust without losing normal movment.im old and decreped and have to use mirors to reverse .so when you have to reverse it makes you look a numptey if all you can see is the n-s sill
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #1 on: Aug 16th, 2010, 9:39am » |
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I couldn't agree more 5stud.It has not hitherto worried me as none of my funeral vehicles were ultima based,however I bought a limo last week which is,and as it will be driven by numerous people,the silly mirror will need disconnection before there is a reversing disaster !! The point is that any experienced driver is just not used to mobile mirrors and moves his head accordingly.Presumably if we disconnect the 'down' wire there will be adjustment problems,what we must do is find out where the reverse switch wire intersects with it.If anyone has done this,please enlighten us,it may be a while before I am able to get to grips with it.
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #2 on: Aug 16th, 2010, 10:40am » |
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Yes its a pain
The module under the drivers seat seems to control this as when the module is unplugged the mirror doesnt move but i am not sure if a reverse lamp feed goes to the module or if its part of the multiplex system ?
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #3 on: Aug 16th, 2010, 11:51am » |
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There are wiring diagrams Here if that helps.
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #4 on: Aug 16th, 2010, 7:12pm » |
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If you disconnect one of the 2 plugs to the mirror (behind the passenger door trim) it will stop the dipping but retain adjustment. I think it’s the black plug – if it’s the white one you’ll loose the heated mirror.
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #5 on: Aug 16th, 2010, 8:42pm » |
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Thanks for you input gents,I must make time to investigate.
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #6 on: Aug 17th, 2010, 7:30pm » |
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Not having that function, I (wrongly) assumed it would show a better view of the nearside rear corner and maybe rear wheel area, but apparently not 
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #7 on: Aug 17th, 2010, 11:07pm » |
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You are quite right Mike,however it loses rearward vision,so if an obstacle presents it's self in the interior mirror blind spot there is a fair chance of striking it.There is ample view of the kerb without the silly facility !
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #8 on: Aug 18th, 2010, 5:39pm » |
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I would agree that this item is useless. However, in common with most on here I suspect, I use my mirrors for reversing. I think mainly because I have an HGV 1 licence over a normal licence. Mind you, when my Gal drives the car, she doesn't use her mirrors for reversing because she finds it difficult. (As I think the majority of Gals would) She finds the 'dipping-mirror' great, because she can look at it whilst looking over her shoulder to get the rear wheel close to the kerb without graunching it off the kerb or mounting the paving.
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #9 on: Aug 20th, 2010, 11:41pm » |
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The dipping function can be disabled in the on board computer display on my S Class..... it was the first thing I turned off..... the second was the "leave the radio on for ten seconds after you take the key out" function!
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #10 on: Sep 10th, 2010, 8:30pm » |
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I have had time to play with the silly mirror and have disabled it,the wiring is thus:-
UP White/Red pos Brown neg
DOWN Brown pos White/Red neg
IN Grey/Violet pos Brown neg
OUT Brown pos Grey/Violet neg
The two remaining wires Black and Violet/Black are for the heater element.
All these wires are in the WHITE plug,the early cars only having the one plug.
Later cars with the big black door modules have a BLACK plug,this is the one controlling the reverse dipping mirror,as Tompion stated in an earlier post,if that plug is disconnected the mirrors stay put,but all other mirror functions are retained.
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #11 on: Sep 10th, 2010, 9:48pm » |
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Gozz, I understood that in Ford cars the Brown wires are all Earths (Negative).
It does appear to be silly to have Browns as both Positive and Negative.
Correct me if I'm wrong - I'm always wrong, so the missus tells me.
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #12 on: Sep 10th, 2010, 10:17pm » |
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The polarities are reversed to allow the motors to run both ways,there is no'earth'as such,similar to the motors on the window winders.Everyones Mrs says they are wrong,after all think of the satisfaction we give them by agreeing 
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #13 on: Sep 14th, 2010, 6:10am » |
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I must be abnormal (no comments please!). I find it helpful when reversing so as to not scrape the sixteen spokes against the kerb. I suppose I`ve just got used to it. Its also handy for spotting dogturds!
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #14 on: Sep 14th, 2010, 10:14pm » |
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on Sep 14th, 2010, 6:10am, freddieboy wrote:| . . . . Its also handy for spotting dogturds! |
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Is this so you can miss them or hit them?
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #15 on: Sep 16th, 2010, 1:58pm » |
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #16 on: Oct 30th, 2010, 4:46pm » |
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on Aug 16th, 2010, 8:48am, 5stud wrote:| diping n-s miror.can you disable or ajust without losing normal movment.im old and decreped and have to use mirors to reverse .so when you have to reverse it makes you look a numptey if all you can see is the n-s sill |
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Lol.
Since I've had the scorpio, the wife loves the dipping mirror !
Everytime I get into her focus I've got to move both ! Side mirrors from looking at the kerb !! 
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #17 on: Oct 30th, 2010, 8:59pm » |
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lol, both looking down at the road all the time?
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #18 on: Dec 10th, 2010, 10:12am » |
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going to have a go saturday whats the do and donts when takeing the nsf door panel off
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Re: most useles item on a ultima is
« Reply #19 on: Dec 10th, 2010, 4:59pm » |
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Don't get the evil black tack on your hands or clothes,it's like s--t to a blanket
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