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auto gearbox oil
« on: Aug 23rd, 2016, 8:21pm » |
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Hi,
When do you know when the Automatic grearbox oil is past it's best - the car has just done over 90,000 miles I do tow a caravan. thanks,
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #1 on: Aug 24th, 2016, 7:55am » |
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I can only refer you to This article which should provide all the information you need. 
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #2 on: Aug 24th, 2016, 11:21pm » |
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It's an easy enough job, but very messy. Change the oil, it'll be best for the gearbox.
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #3 on: Aug 25th, 2016, 6:10pm » |
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My thanks to Simmo and PJDavis for their suggestions, unfortunatly I will have to get a garage to give me a quote as I have limited ativity.
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #4 on: Aug 27th, 2016, 12:36am » |
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The colour, consistancy and smell of the oil are all good indicators of when it is past it's best.
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #5 on: Aug 27th, 2016, 12:38am » |
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New it is bright red and fluid but as it gets older it gets thicker and changes colour to brown and even black.
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 29th, 2016, 4:46pm » |
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on Aug 25th, 2016, 6:10pm, podge wrote:My thanks to Simmo and PJDavis for their suggestions, unfortunatly I will have to get a garage to give me a quote as I have limited ativity.
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I've just had mine done by a garage I trust - I supplied the filter + fluid and they only charged me an hour labour.
My fluid had started to change from bright red to red/brown and the box was whining a little so thought it best to change the filter and fluid. It's now a bit quieter and I think the gear changes are a touch smoother - although that might be a placebo. Car has done 109k miles.
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #7 on: Sep 6th, 2016, 5:05pm » |
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If you are easily bored look away now. I haven't been a member long but being, virtually housebound I spend a lot of time reading post after post on this site. I have read many useful articles but when I read this post I checked my oil, a good thing too. Despite driving almost every variant of Granada through the eighties and nineties (manual and auto) I never ever checked gearbox oil as they were all company cars. I bought my first Scorpio (auto) around 2008 and never checked the oil. My latest Scorpio is on 127000 miles and it never occurred to me to check the oil. Good thing I did, the oil is a sort of orangey/brown but doesn't smell too bad. So I guess its time for change. Problem is that my local garage wont touch the car (box) neither would two others that I phoned. The 'how to' pages make it out to be a straightforward job, so I cant understand why every mechanic within blast radius is running for the hills. Should I persevere with other 'local' garages or bite the bullet and put it in with Ford? Problem is I don't want to remortgage my house! 
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #8 on: Sep 6th, 2016, 5:15pm » |
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You might hope that there is a keen member near you in South Wales. I don't think I'd bother with a run of the mill Ford Dealer, most of their mechanics probably haven't seen a Scorpio before. If you found a Ford Dealer that had an 'Old-Fella' that has been working there forever, that might be your best bet. You could try a 'local' garage, but you need someone that is caring and knows how to do the job without referring to a manual except maybe for torque settings. Your best bet is by recommendation from a current member, if the garage is far away you might off-set the cost of mileage by knowing the garage will do a good job for a reasonable price. Unfortunately I'm about as far away as you could get, in North Scotland. Or I'd do the job in about an hour (all being well) just for the price of parts and a bottle of 'Spicey'.
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #9 on: Sep 6th, 2016, 5:16pm » |
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I always thought company cars didn't need to have oil checked ?
Auto gearbox fluid starts out a nice cherry pink colour when new but does discolour with age so with 127k miles and probably original fluid that sounds normal. Does it shift OK ?
Changing the fluid is a messy job as there is no drain plug - yeah, well done Ford.
My Scorpio had 123k miles on it when I bought it and I had the fluid changed as a precaution at my local garage - they were happy to do it - about 2 or 3 hours labour at the most.
Try some other local garages or better still look for an auto gearbox specialist.
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #10 on: Sep 6th, 2016, 9:03pm » |
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Hi Chaps,
Very interesting comments re the gearbox oil - will get it changed when I get back home as Iam on holiday at the moment.
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #11 on: Sep 6th, 2016, 11:37pm » |
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Thanks, PJDavis for the offer but as you point out we are a little too far apart, pity! I would love to get into contact with another 'keen' member in South Wales as you suggested. However, despite posting previous requests for other members in south, or indeed any other part of Wales to come forward, no one has. The closest i've come was in the seen by you section (post N323) and that wasn't even a member. Oh well! Regarding the use of a Ford garage I take your point as the last time I was there the average 'mechanics' age looked about twelve. Only Kidding!! That said Ford mechanics do a fab job but as you say an older mechanic with Scorp auto box experience would in all likelihood be preferable.
Mike, I'm Probably going to continue searching for an auto gearbox specialist as you suggest. There isn't an immediate issue as this car is quiet and changes gear faultlessly, unlike my first Scorpio. However I'm now alerted to the fact that I need to change the oil as soon as I can get it done. By the way is it likely that It would be the same oil from new. I've had a quick look through the service history and haven't found evidence of an oil change yet 
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #12 on: Sep 7th, 2016, 11:31am » |
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Don't forget to order a new pan gasket, filter screen & 'O' rings - auto gearbox specialist might have them in stock or your local Ford dealer will probably have to order them in.
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #13 on: Sep 7th, 2016, 6:30pm » |
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Thanks Mike. But at the risk of appearing stupid is a filter screen a filter or a secondary item along with the filter? Also would you trust parts from a motor factor or would 'genuine' Ford parts be preferable. Incidentally, still cant find evidence of a previous oil change but I have mislaid a fair chunk of the service history as the missus has 'thoughtfully' tidied my paperwork 'piles' up. 
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #14 on: Sep 7th, 2016, 7:18pm » |
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I think the term 'filter screen' is the correct term for this type of filter - it is a 'screen' type filter with a fine mesh. Don't worry, it is this 'filter' which will need to be changed when you change the fluid - as far as I am aware there is just the one filter.
If you get the parts from Ford they may come as a kit rather than individual items but you would need to check with the parts guy.
Doubtful the fluid will have been changed before - don't think it is anywhere in the official Ford service schedule - no drain plug in the sump.
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #15 on: Sep 10th, 2016, 1:32am » |
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Hooray! Finally had a garage recommended by a mechanic who knows a mechanic who knows........ well you get the point. He says that he will do the job late next week for £50 as long as I supply the parts. That lead me to try finding the parts, I looked online but got a little flustered and gave up. I then phoned various motor factors including a large chain beginning with H, all said that they couldn't help. Today, or should I say yesterday the wife squeezed me into her tiny car and took me to Fords. I hoped that I sounded like I knew what I was talking about as I confidently rattled off my list. Thanks guys, including Mike who explained the filter to me.
All parts were available but had to be ordered in, 48hr delivery after placing the order. However, as Ford now consider Scorpios as classic cars they will not accept any returns, even in unopened packaging. But, apparently (according to the parts guy) there were two auto boxes? I'm having to go for the one recommended via the VIN. Hope that's right!
As a point of interest for those considering the same job, Fords prices are:
Part 6941997, Gasket, £55.86
part 4000411, Screen, £41.93
part 6152081, O ring, £1.71
part 1805856, Oil per ltr £19.08
Finally,I haven't bought anything yet as I was hoping someone could let me know which particular oil is suitable if bought elsewhere as Scorpios are no longer listed in the shops 'guide' booklets. I have seen oils for sale around £30 per 5 ltr.
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #16 on: Sep 10th, 2016, 7:09am » |
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Tony, I found This site which might help. If you look under 'contacts' there is a telephone number.
This one looks even better.
I'd check with Comma who I've always found to be very helpful.
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Re: auto gearbox oil
« Reply #17 on: Sep 10th, 2016, 1:08pm » |
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There are are 2 O rings (not the same size).
Point out to your guy the later filters usually need the bolt shortening or packing out with washers - if you don't do this the filter won't seat on the O rings & air can be drawn in with the oil.
I've just bought an aftermarket gasket/filter set a lot cheaper although it has a rubber type gasket not the cork type with steel spacers used by Ford.
I'll post some details another time, I probably have the Ford finis no for the complete set on another computer.
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 10th, 2016, 4:05pm » |
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I would suspect that a gearbox repairer/specialist would be able to get you all the parts you need or know who can. This is how I got the parts when I changed the gearbox oil on my Scorpio about 7 or 8 years ago and they were the proper parts but at a fraction of the cost that Ford wanted.
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 11th, 2016, 11:21pm » |
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I thank you all for the links suggestions and tips. You have between you answered most of my queries. However, I can't help but feeling held to ransom over the cost of parts. So! My 'hopefully' last two questions are as follows. Are their two different 2.3 auto gearboxes for '97 'P' cars as the Ford guy mentioned? And can anyone suggest an alternative source for parts that I may possibly not as yet tried. Thanks, Tony.
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