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sector-9
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Suprise from HMRC
« on: Jun 18th, 2007, 6:49pm » |
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Got a letter on Saturday because I'm registered as a "fuel producer" (which to you and me means I run my car on cooking oil!). It says that as of the 30th June I won't need to fill in tax returns each month, neither will I have to - and get this - pay duty, as long as I 'produce' less than 2,500 litres per year.
That's assuming I've interpreted their de-minimis letter correctly. If so, I'm well chuffed, thanks Gordon!
Darren
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Re: Suprise from HMRC
« Reply #2 on: Jun 24th, 2007, 11:27am » |
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I buy 20ltr drums of oil for about £9.99 from the local wholesaler - and because they're foodstuffs, there's no VAT added either! Incidentally, you don't need to be trade to buy from the wholesaler I get oil from - just need to have proof of address and that you're employed.
Darren
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Re: Suprise from HMRC
« Reply #3 on: Jun 24th, 2007, 1:36pm » |
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hi Darren, hope you dont mind me asking but where abouts do you get your oil from? i usually buy the 15L plastic containers of the stuff from tesco or asda (about 8.40 per 15L) but i've ben told that the best place to go is either makro or costco but going on their sites i got the impression that its trade only so i never bothered 
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Re: Suprise from HMRC
« Reply #4 on: Jun 24th, 2007, 7:35pm » |
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Makro are indeed trade only - now I use Hyperama - the nearest to you is Peterborough I believe...
Darren
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I've never seen anything bigger than 3ltr bottles at asda or tesco, and at £1.88 for 3ltrs (plus the tax until recently) it was barely worth doing.
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Re: Suprise from HMRC
« Reply #5 on: Jun 24th, 2007, 8:29pm » |
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TOP BANANA  ! I can see the second hand diesel scorpio's going up a little in value . I could even consider one myself ! I guess you go for 25 % real diesel in a tank !
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Ok, I've got a Diesel Exec (go me!!1111!!!!  )
Can I really run it on fresh cooking oil without the tax numpties calling that an additive? I can't be bothered cooking up vats of chip fat and caustic soda in the garage but if I can use fresh veg oil then I want to play 
There's all kinds of inconsistent, irrelevant and useless "advice" on t'interweb. C'est la vie as they say in French speaking parts of somewhere 
Is it really possible to do this?
Dave
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Re: Suprise from HMRC
« Reply #7 on: Jun 24th, 2007, 9:45pm » |
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My 96 Diesel estate runs on 100% filtered veggie oil straight from the local Indian takeaway. no diesel at all
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sector-9
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Re: Suprise from HMRC
« Reply #8 on: Jun 26th, 2007, 6:31pm » |
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Pistonbroke - as of the 30th of June you will legally be able to run your car on cooking oil without having to:
a) Register as a 'fuel producer' with HMRC
b) Pay duty
This assumes of course that you won't be burning more than 2,500 litres of the stuff in any 12 month rolling period. I suggest you visit the link mazzy_j posted and print out a copy to keep in your car though, as I expect some rozzers won't be aware of this!
And yes, you can just pour vegie oil into your tank - that's exactly what I do. I've always used brand new stuff as even filtered I hear that used oil contains acids and salts from cooking (not sure if this is correct but I don't want to push my luck). Also, whilst my diesel will run on 100% cooking oil, it smokes a lot and misfires when starting from cold, and pinks a little until thoroughly warmed up. I've now reverted to 40ltrs veg/35ltrs diesel mix, though I'm going to experiment with adding a little white spirit to see if that'll help it run on higher concentrations without the side effects.
Darren
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Thanks Darren,
After all I've read searching the internet this seemed too good to be true. I'll print off all the documentation and keep it in the car - that's good advice  .
The main reasons I got the diesel where to have a lower running costs car for general use and to keep the wear an tear down on the beloved 24v. A fair amount of the miles I do are spent visiting customers for work when I get paid 45p/mile - if the cost of the fuel used to do those miles comes down this much then SWMBO may finally believe that I did need a second Scorpio 
And I'm saving the planet too
Dave
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Re: Suprise from HMRC
« Reply #10 on: Jun 27th, 2007, 9:02am » |
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As long as you can do more than a mile on 45p then you'll be making a profit (unless you factor in the wear and tear). Don't forget that power and economy are slightly worse on cooking oil - not vastly - but about 2mpg less and 10mph off top end speed, however the engine will run smoother and with less clatter. You'll also need to change the fuel filter and engine oil more frequently.
Darren
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Re: Suprise from HMRC
« Reply #11 on: Jun 27th, 2007, 1:26pm » |
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Mine runs better on the cooking oil Darren, no smoke at all, it was quite bad on the diesel, if you stuck your foot to the floor everything in the rear view mirror turned black
Performance wise it feels more responsive.
When I first put the cooking oil into the Discovery I never let on and my other half mentioned it was quicker and quieter the first day she used it.
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Re: Suprise from HMRC
« Reply #12 on: Jun 27th, 2007, 2:22pm » |
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i find that mine likes pride vegetable oil, its cholestrol free , 10.50 for a 20ltr drum from my local indian grocer........
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Re: Suprise from HMRC
« Reply #13 on: Jun 27th, 2007, 3:34pm » |
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Just to point out, the above link is a PROPOSAL to a change in the law, I dont think anything has changed yet so you still need to adhere to the proper procedures
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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There's something more substantial HERE
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sector-9
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Re: Suprise from HMRC
« Reply #15 on: Jun 27th, 2007, 7:41pm » |
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on Jun 27th, 2007, 3:34pm, Highlander wrote:| Just to point out, the above link is a PROPOSAL to a change in the law, I dont think anything has changed yet so you still need to adhere to the proper procedures |
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Nope- the letter I received states that 30th June is the date after which small quantity producers will not have to register. According to the website the proposal was quite some time ago and it is now being actioned.
Darren
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on Jun 27th, 2007, 7:41pm, sector-9 wrote:
Nope- the letter I received states that 30th June is the date after which small quantity producers will not have to register. According to the website the proposal was quite some time ago and it is now being actioned.
Darren
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That's the only reason I went on their utterly useless and confusing site to look for a link Darren. If they'd sent you a letter then there had to be something on there.
It amazes me that "we" actually pay to be dazed and confused by "them" at all times. It's a funny old world, hey...
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Re: Suprise from HMRC
« Reply #17 on: Jun 27th, 2007, 10:48pm » |
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Well its still got three days to go until its law so its not in force yet
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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