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Tons_of_fun
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #20 on: Jan 22nd, 2008, 2:21pm » |
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Couldnt agree more Highlander.VIVA LE REVOLUTION 
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #21 on: Jan 22nd, 2008, 7:47pm » |
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I've just read through the manifesto and it is very impressive.
Of course it might be bad news for me as I'm a British ex-pat living in Spain....mind you, a lot of the ideas in the BNP document are the norm here!
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taliban aka Cheekyboy2
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #22 on: Jan 22nd, 2008, 11:05pm » |
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sigh, i read the first page; economy, i quickly realised that if the bnp get in we wont have one.
i flicked through once; the prison bit was interesting and its something i always have a problem with; punish yes, of course, but you also need to rehabilitate, the bnp doesnt include this, but i agree with the chain gang idea. on a small technical note if a prisoner works they have to be paid even if its only a fiver a week, if not you've re introduced slavery.
the death penalty, 99% of the time im against it for a multitude of reasons which i wont go into as it would take faaaaaaar to long, the 1% i reserve for people like stalin, bin laden, ex wife.....
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #23 on: Jan 23rd, 2008, 7:16am » |
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I read through the summary manifesto too, not being politically swayed either way I am of the opinion that some points are and would be good to adopt as a nation and some would probably cause more problems then what they'd solve.
I liken it to going into a restaraunt, you read the niceley presented menu which on paper, all looks very good, however you wouldn't select everything, only what you fancied at the time and which YOU thought was the best (you could be wrong) you order your meal (Vote) then the chefs take over and you're commited, the chef has FULL control over what is delivered.
Yes! when it arrives you have the chance to examine it, if there is anything found wrong you can complain (then the friction is introduced) you may be able to opt out but you would still have to proove the fault. (this could lead to a political war) You can see what I am getting at can't you? the state of things has got that bad that it would be VERY hard to find a suitable resolve, especially with the vast numbers of issues to be tackled..... I don't know what the answer is... I don't think anyone does.
I'll stop waffling now....
Pete
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taliban aka Cheekyboy2
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #24 on: Jan 23rd, 2008, 11:29pm » |
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the problem is its a manifesto and not real life and as such can look good on glossy paper, hell, even a labour manifesto could look good depending on presentation, you generally find that when you go through them properly they have more floors (flaws) than the empire state building. my dad is well in favour of ukip (i can only think that its an old age thing), my brother and me always have a laugh with him about it, a few years back on the xmas visit he handed us a 5 page print from ukip with the usual added comments of there you go its all in there, the truth etc etc. i have to say it was very well laid out, reasonably attention grabbing without being 'news of the world' cheap, in fact it was very well worded, but unfortuneately that was the problem, it was just words duping people, out of 5 pages one small paragraph was actual fact.....
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #25 on: Jan 23rd, 2008, 11:32pm » |
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on Jan 22nd, 2008, 11:05pm, taliban aka Cheekyboy2 wrote:| on a small technical note if a prisoner works they have to be paid even if its only a fiver a week, if not you've re introduced slavery |
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If they are in jail they deserve nothing!
In my world if you were in jail you wouldnt even get to see the telly and you would certainly think twice the next time you thought about breaking the law.
How many crimes would be prevented if people knew they were going to get absolutely no home comforts for a few years 
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« Reply #26 on: Jan 23rd, 2008, 11:40pm » |
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HIGHLANDER FOR P.M.
And me a Sassenach anall !
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #27 on: Jan 24th, 2008, 12:45am » |
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the problem is highlander that probably none would be prevented; society's that have used that approach (including ours in days gone by) are no better off, the prisons were always full, offenders re offended etc etc. i agree that prisons should be a punishment but i really dont have an answer, if you just punish, prisoners will just use their time to learn how to offend without getting caught, if you teach them better ways with plenty of rehab it seems to only work with a percentage, so god only knows.
back to your comment about them deserving nothing if they're working then they do deserve a payment even if its a pittance, i mentioned its a technical point, but its also important constitutionally not to advocate slavery.
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« Reply #28 on: Jan 24th, 2008, 1:10am » |
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Dont agree, its not slavery its prison and they dont DERSERVE anything.
we seem to spend more and more time and money trying to bend over backwards and help people who will never help themselves..
My jails wouldnt be full at all, the death penalty would cure that 
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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« Reply #29 on: Jan 24th, 2008, 1:22am » |
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This is my kind of Jail
Love the cable channels and the pink underwear lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #30 on: Jan 24th, 2008, 2:04am » |
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I agree with Tali here. Look at the one country which still has the death penalty and still has a harsh judicial system in comparison with ours, the US. Then take a look at their crime rate. With the US you're talking about a society which is ruled on a daily basis by fear, just like in the dark ages we used to be ruled by fear of religion and the existance of something which nobody could, or was allowed to, for fear of being sentenced to death for blasphemy, disprove..
It's like when guns were outlawed as a kneejerk reaction after Dunblane, what happened? I agree that prison should be a punishment, the insurgance of political correctness in this country over the past decade has done a lot of damage to society which wouldn't be easily reversed and I don't think many sane people would dispute that. But chucking every crook into hard labour wouldn't do anything to solve the underlying issues, even if it made the average Joe on the street feel better in the short term
There's a lot wrong with society and nobody really has a clue how to sort it
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #31 on: Jan 24th, 2008, 3:25am » |
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It would make me happy yes and i wouldnt give them all hard labour, just make them work.
A good lot of them would go down a big hole in the ground, there would be no paedophiles or murderers in there
In MY manifesto I would also put gun turrets on fire engines with permission to open fire in self defense..
Same in hospitals, police stations, where people now think its ok to attack the staff.
And!! any damages or costs incurred by people committing crimes would be paid for by the criminal or his family!
None of this stuff you see on Road Wars when they chase people for miles and wreck half a dozen police cars with a helicopter in attendance then get 100 hours community service!! If you run and cause the damage and you or your family can pay anything towards it then you will. Any shortfall would be made up by time served
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #32 on: Jan 24th, 2008, 6:56am » |
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on Jan 24th, 2008, 2:04am, TiberiuS wrote:
There's a lot wrong with society and nobody really has a clue how to sort it
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It's a DOWNWARD spiral, when it reaches the bottom there is a shock waiting and no one can stop it..... 
Anyone can have a go a proving this wrong but as David Frost used to say "The evidence is there, lets go through the keyhole"
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #33 on: Jan 24th, 2008, 9:21am » |
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my god!! what did i stir up when i started a nice little thread about lottery funding,great reading lads ,keep it going. (by the way highlander , when you come down sarf have you noticed it,s a luvverly place?and i mean past carlisle)
regards ,,,big neil
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #34 on: Jan 24th, 2008, 5:42pm » |
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Some bits are yes
(i'm sitting in the car in Liverpool typing this)
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #35 on: Jan 24th, 2008, 9:18pm » |
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This is a really good thread IMHO
I will confess to having voted twice in general elections 
The first time was on principle because I believed that it would make things better
The second time, I just voted for everybody because I had realised that they were all self-serving, nest-feathering t*ssers and it wouldn't really make a blind bit of difference
I will never, ever, vote for anyone who *wants* to be elected.
Is there a better system? If there is, I don't know what it could be. Maybe we just need to get back to things like "principles" and "values" (not that I'd trust anyone who said that). The reality is it's about positioning yourself for easy money when you get found out - like Bliar and his job for J.P.Morgan
"Cynical" Dave
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taliban aka Cheekyboy2
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #36 on: Jan 24th, 2008, 11:16pm » |
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just a query highlander; do you per chance have a small black moustache?
was just a thought
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taliban aka Cheekyboy2
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #37 on: Jan 24th, 2008, 11:18pm » |
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thats it!!!!!! sling highlander in jail.....hard labour et al.......in charge of a vehicle while using a laptop......
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #38 on: Jan 25th, 2008, 4:26pm » |
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I can't believe I've read this whole post & not got involved at all .....
It's very unlike me not to at least write something a little self opinionated & controversial
Maybe that recent (3 week) bout of flu (shaking, temp 104, delerious, speaking in tongues etc), swiftly followed by a generous dose of the winter vomiting virus (cleans you out good & proper.....nice ), may have affected me more than I thought
So if I haven't offended anyone, then I do apologize & hopefully I'll be back to normal again soon
......Just off to make those nice jehovahs witnesses a cup of tea & then flick through a few back issues of watchtower..... 
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Re: this makes me very angry
« Reply #39 on: Jan 25th, 2008, 9:16pm » |
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stuart , that means you pass carlisle going home , we must meet for a cup one day,
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