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24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« on: Nov 19th, 2009, 12:05pm » |
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I've finally managed to get round to starting this project! 
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I have a Diesel estate to use as a donor which is currently having the engine/box removed ready to begin.
I have plenty parts now from two Sierra XR4x4's (The 1990- 2.9 models, not the 2.8 )
The plan is to fit a 24v BOB from a Scorpio onto the alloy Sierra 4x4 front subframe (which fits the Scorpio perfectly) to the XR4x4 MT75 4x4 box and 4x4 running gear (sounds easy when you say it quickly)
All info, ideas, contributions and ridiculing welcome 
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #1 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 12:18pm » |
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Stuart,
I did exactly this conversion to a Sapphire a while back. Will help all I can just e mail or phone. Wiring will be yr biggest headache, but I used BOA management and made wiring loom from XR and BOA wiring. Oil drains into 4x4 sump a bit fiddly, but patience and a good ally welder makes a neat job of em 
Just starting my new project...
24v BOB 4wd Focus rally car.
Any 4x4 bits you wanna sell I'm yr man, need floorpan / tunnel from XR4x4 plus all running gear sump etc. So anything you wanna get rid of, body shell etc lol gissa shout. Collection pref after Xmas as Im a Blue @rsed Fly at the mo
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #2 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 1:02pm » |
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on Nov 19th, 2009, 12:18pm, Dave2302 wrote:| Oil drains into 4x4 sump a bit fiddly, but patience and a good ally welder makes a neat job of em |
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Yep had a look at them on someone elses project, not much room for error
Dont have any Sierra bodyshells left sorry 
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #3 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 5:05pm » |
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Do you think you will have to modify the front chassis rails to clear the front driveshafts as per the XR4x4 or not ?
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #4 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 6:41pm » |
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I did 'em on the Saff easy peasy, 'bout half hour per side when there's no x member in it.
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #5 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 6:48pm » |
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on Nov 19th, 2009, 1:02pm, Highlander wrote:
Dont have any Sierra bodyshells left sorry |
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Awww poo, suppose I'll end up buying a complete 4x4 Sierra but they gettin' a bit thin on the ground now 
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #6 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 7:24pm » |
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on Nov 19th, 2009, 6:41pm, Dave2302 wrote:| I did 'em on the Saff easy peasy, 'bout half hour per side when there's no x member in it. |
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I've heard of 4x4 conversions on 2wd Sierra's where the front chassis rails have been left unmodified
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #7 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 7:25pm » |
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on Nov 19th, 2009, 6:48pm, Dave2302 wrote:
Awww poo, suppose I'll end up buying a complete 4x4 Sierra but they gettin' a bit thin on the ground now
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Ooops....gave a 4x4 Sierra shell away a few months ago 
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #8 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 7:36pm » |
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on Nov 19th, 2009, 5:05pm, Scorpio_Mike wrote:Do you think you will have to modify the front chassis rails to clear the front driveshafts as per the XR4x4 or not ?
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Possibly, theres not much in it but i'll see how it looks
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #9 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 8:27pm » |
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on Nov 19th, 2009, 7:24pm, Scorpio_Mike wrote:
I've heard of 4x4 conversions on 2wd Sierra's where the front chassis rails have been left unmodified
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Yeah lotsa ppl said that to me but they looked mighty close to me and mine was gonna be lowered so I took the safe route and did it, like I say wee bit of grinding with small angle grinder, bend up a bit of steel and weld it in, very easy.
Shame about the shell, I know where theres a crossmember and a v6 sump wiv diff, poss a backend too, will be using Bilstein shox and springs but the basis of the project requires 4x4 Sierra floorpan and tunnell welding into Focus Shell
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #10 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 8:28pm » |
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Scorpio floorpan no good?
I might have one spare
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #11 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 8:34pm » |
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Would B more work, the transfer box hits the tunnell and the cradle bolts are different place, but if I can't get one a Scorpio one would B the next best thing, I'm assuming the back end is the same mountings etc ?
Dont Scrap em just yet lol
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #12 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 9:05pm » |
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Ebay seller Sierrashack may be worth contacting for a Sierra 4x4 floorpan
About £60 or so.
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #13 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 9:06pm » |
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I paid that for my last Sierra!
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #14 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 9:11pm » |
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What I am after is a pair of 3.92 diffs from a 2.0 XR4x4 Sierra.
There was an estate sold on ebay yesterday for £235 just down the road from me but I dont have any room just now!
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #15 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 9:15pm » |
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on Nov 19th, 2009, 9:11pm, Highlander wrote:What I am after is a pair of 3.92 diffs from a 2.0 XR4x4 Sierra.
There was an estate sold on ebay yesterday for £235 just down the road from me but I dont have any room just now! |
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Maybe if you stacked your scrap cars like the old breakers yards
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #16 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 9:18pm » |
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on Nov 19th, 2009, 8:27pm, Dave2302 wrote:
Yeah lotsa ppl said that to me but they looked mighty close to me and mine was gonna be lowered so I took the safe route and did it, like I say wee bit of grinding with small angle grinder, bend up a bit of steel and weld it in, very easy.
Shame about the shell, I know where theres a crossmember and a v6 sump wiv diff, poss a backend too, will be using Bilstein shox and springs but the basis of the project requires 4x4 Sierra floorpan and tunnell welding into Focus Shell
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So you didn't actually notch the rails as per factory ?
I'm keeping mine standard ride height so hopefully will get away with leaving the rails alone.
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #17 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 9:19pm » |
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What about a spacer on the subframe to lower it slightly?
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #18 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 1:08pm » |
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Yeah, as per original.
Also,when I say they look close, that was at std ride height before I fitted the lowered Koni kit.
I cleaned off the rails on the old XR4x4 shell that I broke up, and did an exact copy. Like most chassis rails, the rails are double skinned. On the 2wd Saff shell when I ground the curve out from the first skin, the second skin underneath has the curve in it. You then weld in another piece on top of this to give the second skin the curve, soft disc grind the welds and underseal, its an exact copy of the 4wd shell rails then.
It sounds hard but once you start grinding off the first skin (carefully) you'll see what I mean, it really is easy.
So easy I wouldn't take the chance, and I wouldn't spacer the subframe either.
Like I said half hour per side on a stripped out front end.
HTH Dave
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #19 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 2:43pm » |
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on Nov 20th, 2009, 1:08pm, Dave2302 wrote:| On the 2wd Saff shell when I ground the curve out from the first skin, the second skin underneath has the curve in it. |
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Now theres a thought, I WONDER if the Scorpio has the same inner curved skin left over from the Granada.....
Will investigate tomorrow
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