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Dave2302
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #20 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 3:19pm » |
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Would be very interested to know that Stuart, cos if I go the Scorpio floorpan route, it maybe easier for me to cut the rails and inner wings out with it and weld the whole lot into the Focus shell.
I'm not sure yet how the Focus inner wings and chassis rails are gonna look with regards to the 4x4 xmember and strut top mounts 
It may be that I'll remove the complete Focus floor from back panel thru floor / tunnel, bulkheads and inner wings / chassis rails and then cut a sierra / scorpio pan out the same. Then cut the sierra / scorpio pan behind the handbrake and remove enough to get the lengths / wheelbase correct. Trim each side to get widths correct across sills bulkheads and arches.
Weld it all in and Roberts the brother of yr mother
Instant 4x4 Focus shell 
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #21 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 6:38pm » |
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if you need any help with geting round the auto electrics give me a pm 
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #22 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 8:20pm » |
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Cheers Matt, will need to find out how that works, i've had various people giving me very vague and ropey descriptions of whats involved so far lol
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Matt
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #23 on: Nov 21st, 2009, 11:22am » |
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ive got a few photos i took when i did mine but there are a few things id do diffrent when i take it all out again and fit the 4.0, (less wireing and bits lol)
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #24 on: Nov 22nd, 2009, 5:40pm » |
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Stuart... Any news on the chassis rails yet?
Matt... How did you stop the transmission from flagging an error code and defaulting once your roadspeed rises and you start shifting the manual box...
I say this because the transmission control looks at input rpm v output rpm and if it doesnt change gear within its parameters it will flag a slip or ratio error. Also a converter lockup slip
AFAIK the ECU is also monitoring the Overdrive gearset speed via the internal speed sensor in the front of the auto tranny, (not the VSS). It's all very well fooling the ECU into thinking the solenoids and sensors are connected but I doubt it will stop the above happening. once the vehicle is underway
Have you scanned it for transmission codes once you've driven it (not just OBD scan) ?
That is why I have in the past used BOA EEC IV on Manual / 4x4 BOB's. as the BOA tranny is hydraulic and vac modulated it avoids all this, and its parameters and lambda's will correct the fuelling, so that's not an issue.
I may try using a 2.0 16V Scorpio Manual EEC V ECU on the 24V Focus as they can be re - flashed, if necc. But again I doubt the fuelling will be that far off, only problem may be injector sequencing, but I'm not sure if the BOB is fully sequential or just one crank revolution i.e bank to bank
...or...
It also may be worth getting the 24V BOB ECU re flashed to remove the gearbox program, I have a mate who maps for Ford's, General Motors etc etc and has the software to do this.
If anyone has a spare BOB ECU (Stuart ?) we could try this out.
Jeez, now I got a headache 
HTH
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Matt
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #25 on: Nov 22nd, 2009, 8:49pm » |
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Hi Dave
The way i did it was i used relays for the shift sols and resistors for the sensors, the EPC is the one i had trouble with so i stripped the box and just stuck the solenoid back in for now (cooked resistors and as its always pulsing so made relays noisy and in time would burn out), ive not used that internal transmission speed sensor, on my car at least it doesn't appear to need it/monitor it?
Ive got it wired so that its permanently in neutral resistance wise, also not all functions of the auto box are tested when its in park or neutral. You can remove the start inhibit very easily on the auto box
i road tested the car for about 10-15 miles and it never faultered or went in to limp mode, revs all the way up to the red line, it seems ok with the traction control to
one thing i have noticed is the E and S buttons make a difference to the shift sols, in E solenoid 1 and 2 constantly pulse in S they dont
the OD just leave open circuit (i pulled the wires from the multi plug)
i will be modifying my set-up a bit fooling wise as i dont need some of the circuit board i made up and want to find a better way of fooling the EPC, and having it so that it will always be in S mode
not had it tested on a computer for codes but driving it would appear to be ok
when the 4.0 is built and ready to be fitted i hope to run it all off a stand alone ecu so none of this will be an issue, that will be the turn of mapping that engine lol
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #26 on: Nov 22nd, 2009, 10:22pm » |
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I know on the 2.0 and 2.3 just disconnecting the 3-4 shift wire will stop the engine starting so i am also interested to hear about this fool box
There is a guy in Finland on FSOC who fitted a 2.3 16v to a Sierra he bought a new crate engine and autobox ecu and loom etc he never used the autobox and fitted his manual box so i asked him how he fooled the ecu he said
[quote="Sierra Finland"]"Hi, It was quite easy, just had to cheat the ecu to think that there is an autobox, and it is on position "N". You can use the position sensor from the 2,3 autobox"
Instead of scorpio autobox´s position sensor, you can use 750 ohm (dont know the word  ops: )
750 ohms equals the position "N"
-Ville [/quote]
he took a lot of pics
http://s128.photobucket.com/albums/p195/caprimies/Dohc%202300%20projekti /
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #27 on: Nov 23rd, 2009, 6:26pm » |
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Ah, yes cheers Matt, I've just realised as you rightly say the box control won't monitor shifts if it thinks its in neutral.
Doh.... didn't think of that 
Still in my defence it was a very late lock in down our local Saturday night / Sunday morning and my brain wasn't exactly in gear yesterday
Think the best plan for me, for the Focus Rally Car is to give my mate the 24V BOB ECU to reflash though, it will just remove the Auto Box programming completely
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #28 on: Nov 23rd, 2009, 6:39pm » |
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Stuart,
If you find a 2.0 4x4 for sale cheapish, Id be happy to stump up some dosh and let you drop the car here, I can pull out the diffs for you as I dont need them but need all the rest. I dare say you probably got a spare 2.9 4x4 rear diff and I already have the V6 sump and front diff.
Let me know what ya think
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #29 on: Nov 24th, 2009, 11:36am » |
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dave would a stripped 24v scorpio body shell be any good to you? well the floor plan?
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #30 on: Nov 24th, 2009, 11:58am » |
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Hi Matt, and thanks for the offer.
Yeah have considered Scorpio Floorpan, and the answer is maybe, but coz I need all the 4x4 running gear at the mo I'm gonna keep looking for an XR4X4 Sierra.
The Scorpio floorpan would go but is more work involved, the Sierra 4X4 ones will go in the Focus with little modification, saving time on tunnel mods, rear suspension hook up etc. Will also be easier to keep it all geometrically correct with less mods LOL.
I'm going to get my 24V Estate MOT'd in the near future so I can put the private plate on me Explorer, then I'm gonna have the Engine etc out of it for the Focus, so if I'm really stuck guess I can use the floorpan out of the Estate.
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #31 on: Nov 24th, 2009, 7:20pm » |
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on Nov 23rd, 2009, 6:39pm, Dave2302 wrote:Stuart,
If you find a 2.0 4x4 for sale cheapish, Id be happy to stump up some dosh and let you drop the car here, I can pull out the diffs for you as I dont need them but need all the rest. I dare say you probably got a spare 2.9 4x4 rear diff and I already have the V6 sump and front diff.
Let me know what ya think
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A bit far away but i'm watching for them
I dont have the rear diff Dave sorry, I sold it on ebay and got nearly as much for it as I paid for the whole car!
I do have a couple of front ones still but not much good to you
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #32 on: Nov 24th, 2009, 8:35pm » |
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I saw that one Stuart, but it's even further for me
Shame you not got a V6 rear diff but offer still stands if you find one locally.
p.s. PM me if yr bidding on one on Ebay, would be a bit daft if we both bidding on the same one
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #33 on: Jul 9th, 2010, 8:22pm » |
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Now got a complete set of 3.92 diffs Thanks Mike
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #34 on: Apr 19th, 2011, 9:11pm » |
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How are you getting with your project Stuart ?
Got mine back now, just fitting it all up
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #35 on: Apr 20th, 2011, 12:47am » |
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VERY slowly, got another two in front of it!
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #36 on: Apr 22nd, 2011, 2:32pm » |
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Just off to pick up another donor 2.9 4x4 Ghia Estate
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #37 on: Apr 22nd, 2011, 7:57pm » |
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on Apr 22nd, 2011, 2:32pm, Highlander wrote:| Just off to pick up another donor 2.9 4x4 Ghia Estate |
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Oooh...rare
Starting to refit the interior of my project now
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #38 on: Apr 23rd, 2011, 2:03pm » |
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Picked this one up last night, it was only described as an 4x4 estate non runner (suspected engine seized) .... £200
2.9 Ghia 4x4 estate in mint condition, inside and out, no rust at all, undersealed with some black waxy looking stuff. all Ghia 4x4 refinements, headlight protectors, spare alloys, new tyres, taxed till August, Mot October
Had a play around with it last night, the starter was jammed! now running perfectly although the clutch has gone, looks like it will be back on the road soon!
Just what I needed, another 20 mpg motor! might come in handy if we get another winter like last year though
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Re: 24v 4x4 Scorpio Estate
« Reply #39 on: Apr 23rd, 2011, 4:48pm » |
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Amazing how some people throw their hands in the air Stuart it's all about the ravages of time and comparing replacement with fuel costs I reckon,however you look at it,WASTE is what it boils down to in this 'economic' climate !!
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