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nevprice
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NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!)
« on: Mar 16th, 2005, 10:03am » |
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Morning all!Havent been on the site for a long time,job change etc etc,and decided reluctantly to sell the Scorpio 24v.Put it through an MOT and it passed with flying colours!Had the car 18 months and it didnt miss a beat!Man comes to collect car and it wont start   Turns over but wont fire.Trailered it to a specialist who put the diagnostics on and it showed a cam and crank sensor at fault.Replaced these and away it went  Bought it back home phoned man and he comes to get it.I start car up and stone me it turns over and wont fire Back to specialist who charges battery as its gone flat through starting and away it goes again.He tries it about 20 times and road tests it,no problems and no faults found in the memory.Puts it down to the battery not fully charged(I put a new one on a month ago)No drain on battery and charging at 14v.Pick it up drive home and park up.Understanding man comes to fetch it again and it does the same thing 
Its going back today so they can have another look!!Anyone got any bright ideas 
I dont think it wants to go to a new home!!
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated
Regards Neville and poorly Scorpio.
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nevprice
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #1 on: Mar 17th, 2005, 8:29pm » |
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PLEASE can anyone help Scorpio is going back to garage tomorrow but I have checked and there is no spark.What could be causing the problem?
Any tips I can give the garage to assist them.At this rate the recovery company will want more off me than the car is worth,let alone the bill from the garage for looking at it
GIVE ME A CLUE PLEASE SOMEONE.
Nev
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #2 on: Mar 17th, 2005, 8:35pm » |
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CKP sensor ( crankcase position) could be at fault if there is no spark.. It is very difficult to diagnose something like this with out the benifit of hands on... Ask some of the proffessionals even they struggle.. It really is a process of elimination now .. but that is where I would start. Did they actuallt replace it or just clean it.... it does sound like a CKP fault....
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #3 on: Mar 17th, 2005, 9:11pm » |
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Thanks Snoopy,they replaced the crank position sensor and also the cam sensor.At the beginning I cleaned the crank sensor but made no difference but the following morning went back to car and away it went!
Seems a mystery to me
Thanks for the advice anyway Regards Neville
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #4 on: Mar 17th, 2005, 10:21pm » |
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The only other thing you can do is go around the engine bay and check ALL the plugs and also make sure they are tight home in the eec under the glove box..... The other thing is check the main fuse links for contact.. If it start one day and not the other then it has to be a broken/loose conection so wher do you start.... I really don't know
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #5 on: Mar 17th, 2005, 10:26pm » |
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Thanks for the help Snoopy,watch this space and i'll give you an update tomorrow!cheers Nev..
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 18th, 2005, 8:18am » |
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Welcome back Nev  Hope you get it sorted soon
Cheers Nick
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #7 on: Mar 18th, 2005, 9:56am » |
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hi there
what about the fuel cut off switch? i remember danny have a problem with his.
only a thought.
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #8 on: Mar 18th, 2005, 11:59am » |
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Yep I had that once in a diesel sierra... just get it worked up to overtake..pull out... get halfway there and the engine dies!! makes for a really exciting drive! 
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nevprice
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #9 on: Mar 18th, 2005, 7:17pm » |
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Hi Nick and all,good to be back,even under annoying circumstances!Garage had car back and the engine turned over well but still did not fire.No fault codes were found so they put a Bosch battery on instead as they said that type of battery had a higher output and was the best they had!
First turn of the key and away it went  .There keeping it over the weekend so they can try it on Monday but they recon the "new" battery I bought was possibly not up to the job!I had no problems with the Scorpio until 6 months ago when the original battery gave up.This is the 3rd battery i've had from the motorfactors as the first had a dud cell,second wouldnt charge up properly and the one they have just taken off,well I think it was a Friday afternoon one
Will report on Mon when they have tried it again to see if this is the conclusion to the saga!The new owner is going to join the site,I've sang the praises of it and the window stickers are front and back on the car so he'll know where to find you!
I'll will be gutted to see it go as it is the best car i've ever had,but its going to a good home in Evesham(hopefully)
THE MORAL OF THE STORY WILL HOPEFULLY BE,BUY PROPER PARTS AND DONT TRY AND CUT CORNERS(YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!)
Speak soon Nev
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #10 on: Mar 23rd, 2005, 10:37pm » |
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Ahh my learned friends the saga continues Car didnt start on monday Took the spare key in to the garage and they tried it.Car started!Never used the spare as it was a bit difficult to use in the ignition.Disconnected the battery and tried the main key again and it fired up,but on the second attempt it didnt.tried procedure again and it worked first time but not after.Put the sticky key in ignition,pulled it out and used other key and it started again.Think the chip is playing up and not letting the code get through to the ECU.Any thoughts before I send it to FMD and get another programmed at great expense.
All the best Nev and a receeding bank balance!!
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #11 on: Mar 23rd, 2005, 10:40pm » |
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red key anywhere nev .. or are the ones you're using all black ?? ......STN
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nevprice
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #12 on: Mar 23rd, 2005, 10:59pm » |
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Evening STN only 2 black keys im afraid!You keeping well?Regards Nev..
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #13 on: Mar 23rd, 2005, 11:10pm » |
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Hi nev ..fine here thanx mate and hope you are ok too .. regarding the keys it may be worth a call to one of the mobile key firms with an AD100 .. I think Snoopy recommends a good national one .. cheers ...STN
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #14 on: Mar 24th, 2005, 8:04am » |
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Nev the place to look for local Local smith is here
http://www.home-own.co.uk/ala/
Used my guy local to me great !
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #15 on: Apr 1st, 2005, 10:59pm » |
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Quick update,it isnt a key problem,the so called "good one"played up the other day but on disconnecting the battery and then reconnecting the car starts straight away!!!!!Have grabbed the bull by the horns and sent it to Ford main dealer and they are having a look at it seems like it is loosing memory somewhere and by taking the battery off it is "rebooting itself"and it is ok for seven to eight times and then it goes haywire!!
I WONT BE BEATEN ON THIS ONE!!IT WILL GET SORTED IN THE END
Nev.......
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« Reply #16 on: Apr 2nd, 2005, 5:54am » |
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good luck with it all nev...
am i right in assuming that you have now "lost the sale" ?
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« Reply #17 on: Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:52am » |
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Good luck with the probs Nev
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #18 on: Apr 4th, 2005, 9:22pm » |
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Yes!Refunding money tomorrow Car still at FMD and costs escalating I suppose(been away for the weekend) so hopefully an update tomorrow from them.
Will keep you all posted!!Nev.............
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Re: NON STARTER (DONT THINK IT WANTS TO LEAVE ME!!
« Reply #19 on: Apr 5th, 2005, 9:25pm » |
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ARGHHHH The ongoing saga  Dealers are 90% sure its the main ECU behind the glovebox.Approx £450 from Ford,so sending it to a specialist who will check it out and hopefully get to the bottom of it.He says a recon one is about £200 ish.Anyone had experiences of recon ECU's.
Fingers crossed Nev
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