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Dave
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Fuse Problems
« on: Mar 20th, 2005, 4:03pm » |
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Hi all. A Mr. Paul A is having trouble getting accepted into the site and has come to me through Yahoo! IM, desperately asking for help! I'll just paste what he said:
"I’ve bought a 1996 2.3 L Scorpio Ghia Saloon, and I have a BIG problem with it. I wanted to clean the fuse box compartment (searching for burnt fuses), after unplugging the fuses and cleaning, when I had inserted fuse no 22 the horn started, and lights where blinking. It automatically stopped after a time but light kept on blinking. I’ve tried to do something seen on the forum.
I even tried to start the engine and it did nicely. With all the doors closed and the hood sensor pressed I’ve introduced again the fuse, this time the horn didn’t make any noise but the light flash for a period and stopped. The real problem is now that the engine doesn’t start at all, no sound no spin no nothing like there’s no starter.
After this I took out the fuse once again and reinserted it with the hood opened…no sound, no horn. Then I have disconnected the battery and reconnected it, the horn turned on but the engine didn’t start. I’m desperate!! Please help me, also I’ve tried to enter the forum by something keeps me from receiving the activation/confirmation e-mail."
What do we think, guys? It's a shame he came to me when Ben's not around! I'm not the best person to speak with with regards to anything remotely technical, but hopefully one of you will have some advice for a new Scorpio owner!
Dave.
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #1 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 4:07pm » |
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(We're talking about the Auxillary fusebox.)
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #2 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 4:10pm » |
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I'm thinking the alarm isn't deactivating itself? The immobiliser is being arsey and has shut everything off?
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #3 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 4:14pm » |
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Fuse 22 is the door modules and is connected to the alarm system...It is in the Central fuse box on the drivers side.
Does sound like a serious fuse box problem .. if he has taken all the fuses out recently and this is the result then that is where to start looking..... In the fuse box.. my first reaction is water/corrosion and he has disturbed something... Give it good spray with a contact cleaner/ water dispersant for starters and try and see if it needs drying out.
Try making sure all the multiplugs that go into the fuse box from underneath are seated correctly.
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I got a mail from a guy calling himself Paul Octavian (from Romania) saying exactly the same thing to the letter. I too am not that good with the Scorp electrics so couldn't help him directly but what you say about the alarm seems to make sense.
Someone will be along soon with a more definitive answer.
EDIT: Posted at the identical second as Snoopy 
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #5 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 4:14pm » |
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the mail came through to me too .. is it genuine do you think ? Paul Octavia apparently .. STN
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Vulcan
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Seems he trawled the memberlist for email addys.... I didn't think you could do that unless you were already a member?
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #7 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 4:28pm » |
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Reading the post again it might be that he has dropped the black wire that connects to the battery... Seen it done many times and iif so then no power to the electrics.... it can drop down behind the bulk head.... and it is the one for the electronics if i remember correctly.
He was admitted to the forum on the 17th March at 1944hours and if he has lost his password then I can reset it for him but he IS registerd on the forum
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #8 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 4:32pm » |
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Ahh he seems perfectly genuine. He's from Romania as you say. It looks to me like alarm gremlins... he's now told me:
1: he has an aftermarket alarm fob (and alarm!)
2: he has no Ford Fob
3: his key(s) will not unlock the doors.
So he's relying on the aftermarket alarm fob to unlock the car. This is all eerily familiar... I was in the exact same situation back in October and my God, it was annoying.
He's reading what you're all saying and he's very very grateful. (He also said he can see the mail icons!)
We've discussed an action plan... he's going to put the car back together, possibly unplug the alarm horn if it goes off again (I find it strange that it is... is it possible that the ford alarm could arm itself? He has absolutely no way of dissarming it), then he'll get hold of a Ford fob, program it, and i've suggested he gets the aftermarket alarm taken off as they only cause problems, problems, problems.
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #9 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 4:35pm » |
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hi Dave ..this is who I had the mail from so he should be able to post ?
Name: Octavian_P
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Date Registered: Mar 17th, 2005, 6:57pm
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #10 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 4:38pm » |
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I see... well i'll tell him to try again then. He just said he's registered but he's not getting his activation e-mail.
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #11 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 4:46pm » |
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He just need to log on using his log on name of Octavian_P and his password.... he IS registered I have checked
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #12 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 5:16pm » |
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he's here Snoops and Dave ..so maybe we can help now !! ... STN
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #13 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 5:21pm » |
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Hello Friends !
First I want to thank you all for the help regarding my problem.
I was impressed verry much about yours kindness, and yours pleasure of helping me.
davo helped me enormous, especialy having YM.
I managed to stop the car from blinking the lights and from sounding the horn (by keeping all dors locked and the hood sensor pressed i had mounted the 20 A fuse no 22, the light went on for a few minutes, in this time i had open and closed all the doors, then i had locked/unlocked from the aftermarket alarm remote, after this i have locked the doors once again with the key, and locked with the reomote and then unlock) (to unlock the doors i need to set the aftermarket alarm on and then disarm it to finaly open the doors) ....the main problem now is that the engine still doesn't start... What i saw strange was the red light from the middle of the windscreean keeps flashing when i turn my key. This means that the car don't know the key ? or does not accept it any more ?
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #14 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 5:22pm » |
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PS i'ved managed to log in after all
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #15 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 5:34pm » |
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Hi Paul ...the PATS light on the dash will flash for about four seconds and then go off if all is well .. obviously it isn't ... if it flashes continuously then wait until it starts flashing a fault code and make a note of the code and tell us ..ie: flash flash flash pause flash ... we can then tell you what the PATS is indicating .. but it is certainly your problem .. regards ...STN
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #16 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 7:20pm » |
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How long should i wait to get an error code from the PATS light because after aprox 1 minute it was still blinking at the same rate (fast). I will try tomorrow for a longer period. Is there a posibility that the car doesn't reconize the keys anymore ? or the key have been erased by starting the engine with the alarm on ?
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #17 on: Mar 20th, 2005, 8:18pm » |
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a little more than a minute Paul .. if there are less than three keys programmed it takes a while longer .. but it really should give you a flash code .. if no code happens at all ..then your PATS module is kaput from water ingress .< it collects on the PATS module bracket and seeps into the module > ..it would however explain your problem .. wait longer first though ... regards ..... STN
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #18 on: Mar 22nd, 2005, 8:03pm » |
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Yesterday i got home verry late and i haven't try again. Today i saw the error code of the PATS led and it is like: flash, pause, and 3 flashes. ( flash, pause, flash, flash, flash). I wonder is there's a posibility that there may be another blown fuse ? or maybe a lose wire, because when i bought the car the plastic lid under the steering wheel was a bit lose, it was missing some screws, so i added the missing ones, and now i wander if somehow the screws may have shorten some wires, this i'm gonna check tommorow. But what the code means anyway 
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Re: Fuse Problems
« Reply #19 on: Mar 22nd, 2005, 8:18pm » |
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Paul,
the code 1:3 means the code from the key is not being received. Have a look at this:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/pats.htm
Have you another key you can try? 
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