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DJWerkz
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Big thank you to HowieD for today  He came out with his stud extractor to try and remove that spark plug body but unfortunately it is stuck so hard the next course of action is to remove the head.
I think that taking all matters into consideration, removing the head is probably wise at this point so we can see how much debris has fallen into the bore, understand why the spark plug threaded shank is stuck so fast and get the head checked for any thread damage.
We were so near to be up and running but now it's back to strip-down mode again 
Head will be removed tomorrow, so watch this space for further updates.
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #1 on: Dec 30th, 2005, 10:01pm » |
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hang in there dj it will be all good when finished m8
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #2 on: Dec 30th, 2005, 11:10pm » |
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Hmm that broken plug is so tight only route now is for craig to remove the head.
I had a 3ft bar on it & for about 5 minutes it looked possible but then the extractor chewed up the plug so that was that. Must of been over 80 lbs of torque but still no joy.
Pity we couldn't get a impact driver on it
Why do people do spark plugs so tight  Only should be 15 - 20 lbs?
Your luck must change soon craig, perhaps next week a lottery win 
Goodluck mate.
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #3 on: Dec 30th, 2005, 11:31pm » |
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No consolation I know , but the opposite was true when I replaced my sparkers, 3 out of the 4 were well loose.
Finger tight and then a quarter turn is what I was taught when tightening ( new ones ) up.
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DJWerkz
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #4 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 7:44pm » |
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Head is off, came off without any hiccups etc.
Had a couple of further attempts to remove the spark plug shank without success, will keep soaking it and trying over the rest of the weekend.
(Got your tool out OK HowieD )
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #5 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 9:53pm » |
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Oh dear Craig !! ... you're at it again mate !! .. did you try taking it out with the engine hot ? .. anyway too late now I guess ... only advice is that aluminium expands at about twice the rate of steel so you need to heat the head for about fifteen mins in front of a blow heater or something.. or drop it in boiling water and try then ..when its out Wurth do a great set of rethread plug inserts ..I personally think they are better than helicoils ..if you need the kit and tools I'll post it off to you ..let me know ok ... hope all is well and fair play to Dave who's there helping again I see ..
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #6 on: Jan 1st, 2006, 9:10am » |
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Hmmm well all too late now but as bill said, before you broke it you could have run the engine to heat it up to aid removal of a tight plug
I would have been tempted to run the engine on 5 cylinders to heat it up but of course your not sure what has gone down the bore, the unburnt fuel is not good for the CAT & it could damage your ignition, so not recommended.
Is the tool still biting
Soak it, heat it up & give it your best shot.
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #7 on: Jan 1st, 2006, 10:49am » |
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No HowieD, your tool is no longer effective. I have a slightly different stuf extractor bit that is conical and reverse spiral that I will try after I'v applied some heat, see if that works.
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #8 on: Jan 1st, 2006, 11:34pm » |
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Now the head is off, if you still can't get it out is it worth taking it to a machine shop and get them to machine the remains of the plug out? It may save a lot of time and effort in the long run.
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #9 on: Jan 2nd, 2006, 12:11am » |
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I think that is next on Craigs list
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #10 on: Jan 2nd, 2006, 12:19am » |
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Machine shop is indeed the final thing on my list. STN has suggested one more option in the mean time though so if my conical stud extractor together with applied heat does not work then I will try STN's suggestion.
After that it's,...hi-ho, hi-ho, it's off to the machine shop I go
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #11 on: Jan 2nd, 2006, 3:28pm » |
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Would you believe it, tried an E-Z out on the stud today and it snapped in the plug!
What is wrong with this plug, does it have some kind of demonic hold onto the head or something...must be a weak E-Z out too.
Anyway, got an appointment with the machine shop at 10am in the morning to see how much they want to get the plug and E-Z out from the head. He was quoting £100 on the phone if it's a bad one.
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #12 on: Jan 2nd, 2006, 6:52pm » |
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Craig I would give up now & let the shop do it.
If they knacker your head then you have some come back
Seems a bit steep to me but hey I am a cheap skate 
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #13 on: Jan 2nd, 2006, 6:58pm » |
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on Jan 2nd, 2006, 6:52pm, howiedintheplace wrote:Craig I would give up now & let the shop do it.
If they knacker your head then you have some come back
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 I think that sound exspensive, maybe they are just covering them selves until they see the job. Maybe worth getting a used head if they quote to much?
Good luck anyway Craig.
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #14 on: Jan 2nd, 2006, 7:20pm » |
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How much would a good second hand head cost??
Might be the cheaper option
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #15 on: Jan 2nd, 2006, 9:22pm » |
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all easy outs break Craig !! ..even snap on ones .. use a locking wheel nut remover and torque bar.. i'll send you one with the thread insert tool < if you haven't already used the machine shop .. try and let me know before I send them off only to find the engine shop has sorted it please .... STN
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #16 on: Jan 3rd, 2006, 11:33pm » |
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Took the head to the machine shop today and he said because there is now an E-Z out stuck in the plug it has to be 'spark-eroded' out. He said that he can remove everything so that no threads are damaged.
Will get the head back sometime this week and hopefully my brother-in-law will be fitting it on Saturday
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #17 on: Jan 5th, 2006, 2:41pm » |
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Got the head back today and the plug is finally out!
Looks like the plan to get it re-fitted this Saturday is still on
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #18 on: Jan 5th, 2006, 9:18pm » |
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...slight change of plan, re-fitting the head tomorrow (Friday),...woo-hooo!
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Re: So Near,...yet so far!
« Reply #19 on: Jan 5th, 2006, 9:24pm » |
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nice one Craig ! ...... STN
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