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Neil W
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24v timing chains - special tools
« on: Jan 7th, 2006, 4:25pm » |
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Hi there,
When I checked availability of spare parts and special tools to do the timing chain replacement job on a Cosworth, I found that FordPartsUK do not supply the tools. Apparently in the UK the main supplier is SPX (formerly Churchill Tools) and the required tools as specified by Ford for this job would cost several hundred pounds.
Does anyone know where I can source these tools from at a reasonable cost? I would be happy to hire them for a week if convenient. We are talking engine support bars and adaptors, crankshaft immobiliser, and timing chain housing adjustment tools.
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Neil W.
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Re: 24v timing chains - special tools
« Reply #1 on: Jan 7th, 2006, 6:04pm » |
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what kind of tools are required? I was under impression that one didnt need anything special.
How much did Fordparts get the parts for ye?
They quoted me £554 inc VAT for chains, tensioners, gaskets + oil pump sprocket
Bloody expensive i tell ye 
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Re: 24v timing chains - special tools
« Reply #2 on: Jan 7th, 2006, 7:09pm » |
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on Jan 7th, 2006, 6:04pm, leftofcentre wrote:what kind of tools are required? I was under impression that one didnt need anything special.
How much did Fordparts get the parts for ye?
They quoted me £554 inc VAT for chains, tensioners, gaskets + oil pump sprocket
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Erm... I'd check that quote if I were you. That much including VAT sounds cheap to me.
The total price comes out more like 800.
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Re: 24v timing chains - special tools
« Reply #3 on: Jan 7th, 2006, 7:09pm » |
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The tools are as listed above. The engine support bar etc ahem... supports the engine from above whilst you take the sump off; the crankcase immobiliser stops the crankshaft from moving whilst the chains are off; the timing chain housing tool, I think, centres it on the crankshft bearing seal whilst you slip the cover on to its locating pegs.
FPUK was asked to quote for everything including 4 cam sprockets, ECT sensor, all guides, tensioners, chains, various gaskets and seals, sealants, a coolant hose and clips (the one that goes under the LH cylinder head extension - I plan to install the thermostat I already have at the same time), oil filter, and oil drain plug. That little lot came to about £800, but of course I might not need all these parts once the front end it stripped down and we can check for wear. Your quote of £554 sounds about right for the bits you wanted.
Hope that helps,
Neil W.
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Re: 24v timing chains - special tools
« Reply #4 on: Jan 7th, 2006, 7:29pm » |
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Re: 24v timing chains - special tools
« Reply #5 on: Jan 7th, 2006, 11:25pm » |
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I have all the special tools but there is only one I use, the front pulley remover but you can use a £15 Halfords puller to do it 
You simply don't need all the tools listed.
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Re: 24v timing chains - special tools
« Reply #6 on: Jan 8th, 2006, 6:17pm » |
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Never done job myself - but will have to at some point. hence my interest
Don't you "need" the crank imobiliser.
I'd have thought that this was the "vital tool"; if any reqd.
If crank does turn when doing job is it a nightmare to retime.
If dead easy to do I can see why it would not be necessary to lock.
Hope I'm right on the above
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Re: 24v timing chains - special tools
« Reply #7 on: Jan 8th, 2006, 6:40pm » |
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Yeah it is very important the crank don't move but as long as your careful it's O.K. check & double check
The front pulley is just about impossible to remove with out a puller of some sort thow.
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Re: 24v timing chains - special tools
« Reply #8 on: Jan 9th, 2006, 11:04pm » |
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Thanks for your comments and offer.
I have been contacted off list by someone who has the engine support cradle and who also could supply the crankshaft immobiliser. As I don't yet have the parts, I'm unlikely to do the job for a little while yet. So, when I'm ready to go ahead (saved up to buy the parts  ), I'll let you know how it goes.
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Re: 24v timing chains - special tools
« Reply #9 on: Jan 20th, 2006, 11:11am » |
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I have recently replaced chains tensioners etc on my 24v.I did not fancy getting "special equipment" ortrying to seal the sump lying on my back,or the joint gasket on the timing covers. I removed the engine, the rest was easy.I also had the opportunity to repair the wiring loom,as some of the insulation was cracked, each pin was removed from the 42 pin plugs(mounted on drivers side innerwing,2off)and shrinkable sleeving was passed over each cable,I got some flexable split conduit and encased each completed plug.The black plug and its cables need to go down the center, the brown plug I routed round the bulkhead.The price you mentioned sounds about right, most parts was from the local ford agent and some from fordpartsuk. I have clocked up a few miles since completion without any problems,MPG is a bit heavy, so I will have a look to improve.The information that is available from the Scorpio Club makes all jobs easier.
My car is a hobbie so time is not important, to replace the chains insitu was not my choice, but where time is important it is the way to do it.
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Re: 24v timing chains - special tools
« Reply #10 on: Jan 20th, 2006, 11:31am » |
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It had not crossed my mind to remove the engine before doing the timing chains job. How long did it take you to get the engine out, and back in afterwards? Were there any complications involved?
I have an engine cradle available, which bolts on to the back of the engine (gear box off) but it is limited to a max weight of 340kg (750 lbs); would that be strong enough, do you think?
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Re: 24v timing chains - special tools
« Reply #11 on: Jan 20th, 2006, 7:33pm » |
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Neil
I made a lifting jig from two pieces of angle iron and some d-shackles,I hired a hoist from local shop, within two hours it was on the deck.I used a engine stand 750kgs from Machine Mart it done the job, perhaps on the limit
but I had no problems. As you know the stand makes life a lot easier to dismantle, lock crank, set timing, check and clean other parts that would not be so easy with the engine insitu,you can use the gearbox bolts to secure engine to stand.
The engine lifting bracket you could borrow if you wanted to.
If your were to get stuck I will always take a phone call.
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Re: 24v timing chains - special tools
« Reply #12 on: Jan 21st, 2006, 12:32am » |
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Hello Fred
Just posted under "give advice to others" - sorry don't know how to do links - then I cruise onto your posts.
Would welcome a response to post noted above - you should know having just done the job.
Essentially out from top with engine & box unit ? Easy ? hope so
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Re: 24v timing chains - special tools
« Reply #13 on: Jan 21st, 2006, 11:30am » |
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Fred,
Thanks for the advice. I already have the engine stand from Machine Mart that you mention, so will now look at removing the engine when the time comes.
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