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craig
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after making contact with mike,i am now not so sure that my VNR has a problem,as mike's is now showing the exact same signs as mine (waiting for donnie to make contact now as well),does anybody else on this site know of anybody who has a vnr 9000 in there car?,we both think it now might be a satellite problem,and not a VNR fault.......
can anybody else offer an input please  ....
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Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: Mar 8th, 2006, 6:43pm » |
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Well I haven't had any problems with the travelpilot navigation and they all must use the same satellites?
What is the problem Craig?
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 5:52am » |
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barry...
when i go to navigate on mine it just pulls up pretty much a blank screen,the arow is there and moving with the car,all other funtions operate as they should perfectly......
if i go to map,it does exactly the same,just a "vague" looking map,but sometimes also a map that is in a rough location to the car,but not exact,now i thought it was the gps aerial,or possibly the disc (i have an original),or at worst the unit it's self (i did actually purchase a new gps aerial off of ebay, a magnetic one,but weather/health has prevented me from trying it out yet)but after a phone conversation with mike (you know the one),he tested his unit,and to my amazement it behaved in exactly the same way,mike tried various locations for the aerial,but no joy,mikes was working fine,as was mine,so i am baffled on this one,i know donnie (invernessguy) has the same unit,and i have posted an SOS so to speak to see if his is working as it should,but he has not been on here for a while.....
PS mike has said his looks like you are driving under water (blue back ground),now our theory is all this points to a gps/satellite problem..
PPS..heres a copy of the message i received from mike,sure he wont mind  .......
Hi Craig
Here's some news, following our conversation yesterday I connected up my VNR and its GPS aerial and guess what, mine is doing the same as yours. The direction indicator i.e. N NW S SE etc is showing red and despite moving the aerial to several locations and driving around last night and this morning it still refuses to pick up a signal. The map is showing but unless I was mistaken and was actually driving on the bottom of a lake it is definately incorrect. Now all was well the the last time I used it and I find it hard to believe that it has decided to now pack in. The signal indicator thinking about it won't ever show green as it is on a green background but will show as white when a good signal is received.
Conclusion maybe a satellite problem. I think we now need to check with Donnie now as to the status of his.
Mike
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Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 10:53am » |
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Is there a way to set these units up? I know when I sold the one from a galaxy a few months ago, the guy kept emailing me saying it wasn't working. I put him on to a guy off the galaxy forum who guided him through the initial setup proceedure of the unit. He had similar problems; half hearted maps, wrong position etc. There may be a similar proceedure for the VNR. Try asking in the mondeo forums.
One other thing, have you got the reverse sensor connected up on both of yours? When I had one briefly in mine, I connected the wire up and it used to indicate on/off when in reverse.
Found this pic of the reverse sensor wire on a mondeo forum
Also found this if anyone needs it....the instruction book in pdf format for the VNR9000
http://www.mondeo.hu/ftp/kezelesi_utmutatok/9000_vnr_uk.pdf
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Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 11:10am » |
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hi there
page 28 talks about position adjustment. maybe this is a way to recalibrate the unit. 
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Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 11:49am » |
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Another thing you may want to check is the vss wire. Make sure you are getting a signal. There is a checklist function on the VNR which lets you run a test sequence to make sure all the systems such as vss, antenna etc are all connected. Can't remember the key sequences, but I will see if I can find it again. It may flag up which bit is causing the problem if nothing else
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Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 12:41pm » |
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Hello dear VNR users. I am again on-line and bring along equal a small sensation. I had with my VNR various problems and for a long time, for a long time searched. Finally... someone.Moechte its NAVI calibrates correct?, the GYRO Einstelung uebergruefen?, or a correct government inspection department test and much, much more makes? Then loosely. VNR switch on. NAV key... if the warning notice come Joystick 2x press Joystick 1x menu upward to the right press Enter press everything are normal, but under attitudes a further service menu appears
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Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 1:20pm » |
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on Mar 9th, 2006, 5:52am, craig wrote:mike (you know the one),PS mike has said his looks like you are driving under water (blue back ground),now our theory is all this points to a gps/satellite problem..
Mike said:
The map is showing but unless I was mistaken and was actually driving on the bottom of a lake it is definately incorrect. |
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Mike here, you know the one 
What I was actually saying was that the map is working perfectly but due to the lack of signal the unit cannot place the vehicles position correctly. The lake statement was a joke as this is where it had positioned me whilst driving down the road and repositioning the car on the map doesn't help either.
The unit prior to ripping the dash apart worked perfectly now back in place the VNR works but will not recieve a signal despite relocating the GPS aerial in several different positions. I will just check that I have actually plugged it back in correctly, though I am sure I have.
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So nearly said "goodbye" but now Scorpio will see another day, alongside the replacement! eek!
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Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 1:28pm » |
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hi there
just a though. none of the wiring (aerial, etc) goes near the car's ecu?
at derby '04, my sat-nav via my laptop stopped working. it was working fine outside the car before i'd left, but now no signal.
turns out i'd tucked the wiring down the widscreen channel and down passed the ecu. i'd must have been getting interference as soon as i move the wiring away from it, it worked. 
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 3:13pm » |
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just found this as well regarding the hidden menu's
VNR HIDDEN MENU'S
still looking into my problems though..
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Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!!
« Reply #11 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 4:43pm » |
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hi craig, sorry, had no internet access for a while as i have moved house.. long story!!
Anyway, i see you have found the system diagnostic info... i just read the thread quickly now, i will have another read of it, think about it at work later, and see if i can figure it out for you
I have had some contact with guys off the mondeo forum who have the same unit, and if i cant sort it for you, maybe they can?
It points toward either cd or antenna, as far as i can make out... If you want another cd, just shout!
also got info on a cheap aerial from maplin, like i made for mine. My aerial is on right of dash, to the right of sunlight sensor, never had any probs with signal, as it misses the heated screen.
By the way? has this problem just appeared? or has the unit always been like that? If you go to the diagnostic settings, see how many satellites you can see... i normally have between 8 and 9 visible
The diagnostic settings allow for micro adjustment of position, maybe a full system reset would fix your problem?
will post again when i read the whole thread and think about it,
donnie
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Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!!
« Reply #12 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 5:00pm » |
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ok craig and mike, some more thoughts, before i go to work.
try the hidden menus, and do a system test.
this will check the antenna, speakers, etc,
if all checks are ok, look and see what the signal strength is from the satellites, as well as the number of sats available
if thats ok, it would appear that your antenna is ok.
take the cd out and clean it, i know its obvious, but you never know! also if you have a cd lens cleaner, might be worth your while running it through... its worth trying the simple things first.
mine has been working properly, although yesterday way the first time i had to use the nav in a week
as far as plugs and cables are concernes, it may be worth pulling the unit out to see if any have come loose? there is only one way that all the plugs will fit in the back of the unit, so you cant possibly go wrong!
try a music cd in the front cd player, to make sure its not faulty.
there is also a recalibration on the vnr to reposition the car on the map, drive 200 yds, turn round, drive back... i use a quiet road, and a mini roundabout at 4am 
let me know how you get on craig, i wil have another think about it at work tonight, and also have a play with my vnr, to see what i can find....
donnie
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Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!!
« Reply #13 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 5:21pm » |
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donnie...
great to hear from you,is yours working ok ?
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Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!!
« Reply #14 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 5:28pm » |
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Just had a very quick go with the diagnostics menu (cheers chaps) and satellites visable no.s = 0 & satellites used = 0 but gps aerial passed.
Shall have a proper play tonight and who knows I might end up messing it up all together and have to buy a new one 
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« Reply #15 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 5:34pm » |
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exactly the same as mine mike ....
going to try the new gps aerial i bought off of ebay LIKE THIS ONE HERE over the weekend hopefully,and will report back,must admit though,this one is getting to me a bit... 
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Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!!
« Reply #16 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 5:39pm » |
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ok mike, your car isnt in the garage is it?
hi craig, its GREAT to be back again
im not sure what checks the vnr does to check the antenna, but if your not getting any satellites, there is def a problem there.
mine is working fine, and in reality, if the poritioning satellites were not working, it would be headline news...... more multinational companies than i can think of would grind to a halt.... couries, parcel delivery, fleet companies, shipping, taxis, haulage, and the list goes on, not to mention all the tagged yobs with asbos and restriction orders !!
try moving your aerial if its not too much of a problem, i cant see 2 members on here with the same problem at the same time, without it being simple??
donnie
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Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!!
« Reply #17 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 5:52pm » |
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Hi donnie nice to have you back with us.
No the car is on the carpark here at work and agree on the possiblity of a satellite being 'switched off'. I have been able to try the aerial in many, many locations as I am currently in the process of refitting the dash back and as such hadn't actually fitted it back properly from the strip down. Hence my reason for wishing to check that I had actually plugged in correctly  but I'm very sure I did.
BW
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Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!!
« Reply #18 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 6:22pm » |
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some gps antennas are better at pulling in the signal than others.... i know, because we use gps on taxis.
although all the 'mice' look the same, and come out of similar boxes, some of the cars working with me have to fit them externally... while others can quite happily have them sitting on the dash, etc.
I have mine on the rear parcel shelf, and sitting on the speaker gets reasonable signal, usually 6-7 sats.
I have my vnr mouse on the dash as far right as poss, and as far forward as poss, and get 8- 9 sats, usually.
Maybe u have a friday afternoon mouse? or was it working perfectly before?
the satellites will be working properly, the problem is more than likely with your mouse, maybe calbeing, or plug... I hope, its not internal, as 2 faulty at the same time, does not bode well for me!!
craig, if you have the other aerial, stick it in and try it, see what happens? even place it outside the car, see if it improves.
another point is, possibly, sometimes it can take ages, and i mean up to an hour, for a gps system to initially find all available sats. it remembers what sats it saw, last time it was on, and looks for them again first, maybe if power was lost, it could lose that memory?
just more ramblings, hope some of it made sense!!
donnie
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 11th, 2006, 3:33pm » |
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well managed to have a go at mine today,got my new aerial,tried it just about everywhere and still nothing,tried the old aeral again,and still the message came up as gps failed in the diagnostics mode.. ,spoke to an audio repair service on the phone today,and they are having a look at it on tuesday for me,there pretty sure it must be a faulty conection on the gps aerial input as every other function works perfectly on the unit,let you know the results....
any news/updates on yours mike...?
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