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mick_s
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NO WARNING LIGHTS
« on: Mar 11th, 2006, 8:23am » |
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Whilst traveling home from work at 10pm in 2.3 ultima lost rev counter speedo fuel gauge temp car was still running pulled into layby turned engine off when i turned key on i had no warning lights no trip meter and car will not start. AA man tryed jump start with no success checked fuses leads on battery earth straps. Eventually got towed home. still have no warning lights car still non starter. Can anyone help 
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Geoff_W
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #1 on: Mar 11th, 2006, 9:00am » |
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Mick
First of all welcome.
Hopefully you will find what you need on the site, but here are some questions to get things rolling.
When you turned the key did the starter motor turn the engine over or did you hear any clicking noises?
When the AA man jump started the car did the engine turnover or was it just nothing happening at all?
Do any of the other electrical items work, interior lights, hazards, headlamps etc.,?
If not is the red lLED on top of the dash flashing, if so what frequency of flashes?
Do you have a cover over the battery and were the fusebox covers solidly in place?
Options include, battery, Ignition switch, PATS or cabling based problems, others may have additional thoughts.
Geoff
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mick_s
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #2 on: Mar 11th, 2006, 9:44am » |
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interior lights working dash lights working flashers working. fuse boxes ok battery cover in place. AA just got a click from starter. led not flashing. indicater warning lights work with ignition on and main beam warning light but all other warning lights are not. thanks for your help Mick.
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Geoff_W
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #3 on: Mar 11th, 2006, 11:07am » |
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Mick,
Click from starter could mean not enough power from battery, but I suspect not as simple as that (hope I am wrong)
You said LED not flashing, sounds like it might be a PATS problem.
Do you have a spare key? If so try that, it may be that the chip in the key that you used yesterday has failed.
However the red LED should be flashing when the key is out also as an indicator that the system is armed, if it is not doing that then the problem may be in the PATS system itself. Typically beyond fuses or relays this is not a DIY item and you may have to get the dealer involved. To see if WDS can interrogate and spot the fault. I don't think OBD will be any good but am open to correction.
Have a look at this http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/pats.htm
And I guess you will already have looked at this
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/faultfinds.htm
Good luck and keep us informed about what happens.
Geoff
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scorpio_man
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #4 on: Mar 11th, 2006, 11:35am » |
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hi there
auto or manual?
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Geoff_W
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #5 on: Mar 11th, 2006, 12:10pm » |
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PRNGL switch Andrew?
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mick_s
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #6 on: Mar 11th, 2006, 1:21pm » |
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auto. led is lit when car is locked. i have already tried red master key but still have the same problem 
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #7 on: Mar 11th, 2006, 1:29pm » |
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hi there
WHILE STANDING ON THE BRAKES, try starting in every gear posittion.
have you checked both fuseboxes for dampness? is the battery 100%? parts of the electronics will shut down with low volttages.
hth
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #8 on: Mar 11th, 2006, 4:18pm » |
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Try looking at the main link fuses in the auxillary fuse box they are big ones 60 and 80 amp but if they have blown you need to know the cause.
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mick_s
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #9 on: Mar 12th, 2006, 11:53am » |
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Tryed starting with foot on brake in all gears only get click in p & n. Checked main fuse link all ok fuse boxes dry. I have just repaired remote and it works fine arming alarm locking doors and remote boot opening works. Pity i just can't get it to run Well i must get back out in the snow now i have the dash in pieces. Many thanks for your thoughts on the problem hope you can keep them comming i need all the help i can get
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Jim
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #10 on: Mar 12th, 2006, 10:32pm » |
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Ignition Switch faulty?
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #11 on: Mar 13th, 2006, 11:40am » |
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Fairly sure that the problem has to be either a faulty solenoid switch or the connection from the battery to the starter motor. The fact that there is a click from the solenoid means that all of the PATs etc are correct. Sometimes the contacts on the solenoid switch get coated by the arcing as they make contact and eventually are no longer conductive. Probably means a replacement starter motor as the solenoid is integrated into the starter. As a last resort check out the alternator as they can cause all sorts of strange problems if they fail.
HTH
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Dave
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #12 on: Mar 13th, 2006, 1:32pm » |
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I would also have a very close look at the earth points in the engine bay. There are 2 near the battery shelf, and I *THINK* there is another near the starter at least. You could carefully try a jump lead from the engine block to a part of the car body.
Good luck 
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fordcos
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #13 on: Mar 14th, 2006, 9:12am » |
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had a simular thing happen to me turned out to be water in the fuse boxes
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mick_s
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #14 on: Mar 15th, 2006, 7:07pm » |
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 Turned out to be ignition relays and a dirty fuse.
Auto electician fixed problem in just over 1/2 hour.
Back in my scorpio and i am in love again  .
Thanks to you all for your help and advice
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Dave
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Re: NO WARNING LIGHTS
« Reply #15 on: Mar 15th, 2006, 8:01pm » |
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Glad to hear it, thanks for posting the outcome
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