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Chris Dean
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Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« on: Mar 28th, 2006, 12:06pm » |
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Yesterday after finally getting the airbag shorted I thought that my problems were over. The car was running well with loads of power and had a smooth tick-over. I parked the car at my brothers for about an hour. When I restarted the engine it was lumpy and sounded like it was not firing on one of the cylinders. I checked all the fuel injector connections and one was lose so I carefully removed, reconnected and re-clipped all three back into place with a small sqirt of WD40 to aid contact. Still no improvement. I remove the spark plug cover, looked at the wiring and seeing nothing amiss removed the spark plug lead nearest the front on the engine to have a look. Replaced the spark plug lead and now the engine will not fire at all. I have checked fused 21, 34, 37 & 42 and also visably checked the loom for any obvious loose connections.
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Chris
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #1 on: Mar 28th, 2006, 12:29pm » |
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did you have the battery disconnected?
if so, disconnect it again and leave if for 5 mins then reconnect making sure the ignitions off
is the Maf connection ok?
try that first anyway
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Chris Dean
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #2 on: Mar 28th, 2006, 12:36pm » |
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Hi Highlander,
I didn't disconnect the battery when I was fiddling with the connections. Will try your solution and come back to you in about 10 minutes.
Many thanks
Chris
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #3 on: Mar 28th, 2006, 12:43pm » |
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life on the edge!! 
I'd advise disconnecting the battery next time you are checking airbag connections 
fuel cut off switch in the boot maybe?
possibly wiring?
plenty petrol in it?
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Chris Dean
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #4 on: Mar 28th, 2006, 1:17pm » |
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I was very careful about disconnecting the battery for at least 15 minutes before doing anything with the airbag.
I've checked the fuel cut-off - okay. Lots of petrol. Looks like it might be a new wiring loom.
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #5 on: Mar 28th, 2006, 11:15pm » |
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I had a similar occurance of your initial problem on my 2.3. It was a coil pack that had gone down. If after moving the wiring the second pack has stopped firing I would re-check the wiring again particularly where it comes in at the back end.
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Jonnycab
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #6 on: Mar 28th, 2006, 11:26pm » |
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Had this problem on my previous '95 Scorpio. Wiring under top cover was brittle & exposed in places. Put shrink wrapping around them - no difference, replaced HT leads - no difference, replaced both coil packs - sorted!! £60 each from Fords
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #7 on: Mar 29th, 2006, 11:40am » |
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Is there anyway to check that the coil packs are faulty?
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #8 on: Mar 29th, 2006, 11:44am » |
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replace them with a known working unit i think is the only easy way
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Chris Dean
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #9 on: Mar 29th, 2006, 7:57pm » |
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I've identified the faulty coil pack. Upon very close inspection there's a small crack where the plug fitting meets the main body.
Are the coil packs available via Partco etc or is it a Ford Main dealer only part? Also, do I have to replace both of the Coils or can I just replace the faulty one?
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Chris
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #10 on: Mar 30th, 2006, 2:21am » |
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I seem to remember that I did shop around for pattern parts but everyone I spoke to told me it was a Ford part only. As for replacing just the one, I'm not sure as I just replaced both for the hell of it, but I suppose if only one of them looks to be causing the problem then I don't see why you should have to replace both.
I must add that replacing both coil packs sorted my car out, but I wouldn't like to advise you that that is definately the problem. I just took a chance at the time & hoped for the best.
P.S. what kind of state was your old matrix in when you took it out?
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #11 on: Mar 30th, 2006, 7:57am » |
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Chris, Have you read this http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/dohcloom.htm as it has a good picture of damage to one of these units. You could ask on parts wanted and see if anyone has a coil pack.
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #12 on: Mar 30th, 2006, 10:52am » |
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Hi Simmo,
One of the packs is definately faulty, where the spring clip fitting mates to the body of the pack there was a crack and you could clearly see the two wires going into the main bady of the coil.
The wiring loom is in good shape, I checked all of the connectors and tbhey all look good.
I've just bought 2 new coil packs from my local Ford dealer. Fortunately, my father is an retired Ford employee and I have his discount card. I managed to get the 2 coil packs and the leads for £82.
Just waiting for a break in the weather to install (it rains alot in Wales).
Thanks for your advise
Chris
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #13 on: Mar 30th, 2006, 12:53pm » |
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Hi I have a good spare coil pack pm me if you require.
kenboy
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #14 on: Mar 30th, 2006, 1:06pm » |
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Big thanks to everyone for support and advice.
Fitted the Coils and leads, it's now running as smoothly as ever.
Cheers
Chris
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Re: Engine not firing 2.3 ('98) R Plate
« Reply #15 on: Mar 30th, 2006, 2:53pm » |
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Well done. Thats good to hear.
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