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Lynne69
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« on: Apr 13th, 2006, 9:05am » |
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driving my 2.3 automatic I noticed smoke coming from under the bonnet, pulled over and checked coolant level and there was nothing in it, filled it with water and antifreeze, went to check water level a week later and noticed that the coolant was full of oil, but there was no water in the oil, drove it to a garage as soon as I parked it empited the whole oily contents onto the road, mechanic said it was the head gasket, so I left it with him and got the gasket done, got car back two weeks later, drove it 2 miles then it started to blow out cold air, checked the coolant, full of oil again and the water was bubbling and hissing, took car to another mechanic who said there was never anything wrong with the gasket that it was the second radiator, took it for a second opinin to another mechanic who said that the system needed flused and it was air locked.
please can anyone help I don't know if I need a radiator or the system flused or if the gasket has gone again I just know the cars not right. :'( [] :'( :'(
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Baw_Flinger
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Re: help help help
« Reply #1 on: Apr 13th, 2006, 9:23am » |
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Where are yo based? HGF is not a fun one but I cant help outright with is problem as I dont know the inside out on scorps with this one. Have you also checked your autobox stick it has been known for the coolant to disapear into the box
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Lynne69
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Re: help help help
« Reply #2 on: Apr 13th, 2006, 9:51am » |
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 13th, 2006, 10:21am » |
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Ah. Cant help then with a good mechanic. Best bet is to look through your yellow pages for a ford/ex ford specialist and call round a few to see if they know scorps, most independents dont have a clue. There are a few members on here form NI, but for the life of me cant remeber which ones. Sorry I cant help out more but I'm sure someone will be along that can help. 
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 13th, 2006, 8:41pm » |
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Second mechanic may be correct - the automatic gearbox uses an oil cooler which is part of the main radiator. If this springs a leak internally then water and gear oil will mix, but nothing will appear amiss with the engine. As another poster says, check the oil level for the auto box and see if it is higher than it should be or full of water. If so you'll need a new radiator and you'll need to drain the gear oil and fill it with fresh.
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Lynne69
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« Reply #5 on: Apr 14th, 2006, 5:36pm » |
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Have checked gear box oil - no water in it.  flushed system out took car for quick spin drove into drive way opened bonnet and the water was running out of overflow pipe.
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Re: help help help
« Reply #6 on: Apr 14th, 2006, 11:23pm » |
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Surly you need to take it back to the garage that fitted the new head gasket. They may not have done the job correctly, does thier work come with a warranty?
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Re: help help help
« Reply #7 on: Apr 14th, 2006, 11:59pm » |
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Isn't this just another example of how ignorant & incompetent some local grease monkeys seem to be?
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Re: help help help
« Reply #8 on: Apr 15th, 2006, 12:44am » |
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When it emptied the 'whole oily contents onto the road', where did it empty it from?
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 15th, 2006, 10:28am » |
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Don't know where it was coming from, I opened the bonnet and it must have been somewhere underneath the engine as I couldn't see anything apart from a puddle at my feet.
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 15th, 2006, 9:06pm » |
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Does the water really have oil contamination? If so then either the engine or gearbox oil level must be going up or down - if they're staying constant and show no signs of water then the oil must have been in the cooling system already (possibly from a previous failure).
Dry the engine as best as you can with an old rag then top up the water and leave it to idle. Keep checking under the car for dripping so you can determine what area it is coming from. If there is a leak then this will expel water when the pressure builds up, and suck air in as it cools down again - which could cause the bubbling as it works it's way up to the expansion tank.
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« Reply #11 on: Apr 16th, 2006, 1:14pm » |
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yes - water is full of light brown gunk it just sticks to your finger if you dip it in, let the car idle yesterday with the cap off water just bubbled and ran out, if I keep the cap on it stays put until I turn engine off then it turfs the whole lot out, water runs out from under the engine same side as water coolant but don't know where from, couldn't see, checked engine oil this morning it has gone done by half but there is no water in it. begining to think the engine is wrecked. have put it up on ramps to see if I can see where the water is leaking from.
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« Reply #12 on: Apr 16th, 2006, 9:09pm » |
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Well you've got some clues to go on: 1) engine oil is dropping. 2) oil in coolant. 3) no water in oil.
To me that suggests that where the two are mixing the oil is at a higher pressure than the coolant. Oil is at it's greatest pressure just after the pump and in the main oil gallery (which feeds the turbocharger, main bearings and big ends). Okay, yours doesn't have a turbo and most aren't water cooled anyway so we can discount that. We can also discount leaking cylinder liners (if the wet type) as that would allow water into the oil but not vice-versa. What remains are: head gasket, cylinder head, oil cooler (if oil-water type - often found behind oil filter). I can't think of anywhere else water will be and oil at any pressure.
If you have an oil cooler then you could try replacing that - it's not unknown for them to leak internally. Failing that you'll need to take the head off again and re-check the new gasket, then pressure-test the head.
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Re: help help help
« Reply #13 on: Apr 18th, 2006, 1:28am » |
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I don't suppose you know what kind of oil it is that's mixing with the water do you?
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Lynne69
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« Reply #14 on: Apr 18th, 2006, 11:02am » |
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Don't know just oil, have taken radiators off to get them checked, place dosen't open until tomorrow, if they are ok, then back to the mechanic to get gaskets checked.
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Re: help help help
« Reply #15 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 10:19pm » |
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Oil coolant radiator is fine, small water leak in main radiator but all the pipes inside it where blocked with oil , getting replacment tomorrow, hoping that will solve problem.
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Re: help help help
« Reply #16 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 10:45pm » |
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Hi,
Pretty certain, sounds like the head gasket is 'near' perfect, as on a compression stroke will force oil from a gallery into an ajacent waterway if a near perfect gasket seal on induction there would be too much resistance to pull water into the cylinder or gallery..had this on an old Mk3 Zodiac...also got pressuring of the water system...as it gets worse you will get water in the sump... 
Get the thing back to the chap who said he had replaced the gasket...even if it is'nt then you originally paid for his misdiagnosis as you still have the same problem or worse...he did nowt except take your money.... 
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John
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Re: help help help
« Reply #17 on: Apr 20th, 2006, 11:12pm » |
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No water in the sump have already checked, mechanic did replace head and bolts also replaced oil filter and themostat I went to a Ford garage myself and got all the parts and I took the head and got it skimmed. hopefully get radiators put back in tomorrow, if no better will take back to mechanic.
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Re: help help help
« Reply #18 on: Apr 22nd, 2006, 6:08pm » |
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Put radiators back in took it for a drive opened coolant and it shot out like a fountain slight bit of oil in coolant, took it back to mechanic he didn't know what was wrong with it, half way back home it wouldn't go into 2nd gear seemed to stay in first taking it to Ford garage on Monday to see if they can help.
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Re: help help help
« Reply #19 on: May 6th, 2006, 10:45pm » |
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I found a ex ford mechanic who drives a scorpio he came and looked at the car, he says the head is cracked as there is too much pressure in the engine and thats why it keeps spitting all the coolant out and there is white smoke coming from exhaust and I need a new engine.
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