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adowds
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Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« on: May 1st, 2006, 5:29pm » |
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Was out driving around today when the car lost power, ran terrible and the O/D light started flashing at me. This was just after pulling away sharply from some lights.
Ignition off and on sorted it, but it this the start of something hellish that'll cost £10k to fix? Car is a 95M 24v Ultima saloon with 125k miles up.
I think I remember reading something about this fault on here but can't find it again.
Tell me it's a 50p sensor inside the glovebox or some similar easy repair...
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #1 on: May 2nd, 2006, 8:31am » |
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Wish I could tell you that it was a 50p thingy, but I suspect it is not.
Are you continuing to get poor power out of any one gear, if so which one? Has the light kicked in again at any point since? Colour of oil ? Any other odd behaviour?
If you are getting really crappy power in one gear, it would normaly meen that the break bands are dieing. Mine went in 2nd and an OBD gave an incorrect ration code. Drove like it had the power of a 1.6l and on steep hills, your lucky if I could get 20mph on hills that I could normaly pull away on no problem. The OD light only came on a couple of times under a heavy foot. Another thing was, my oil still stayed pink throughout 
I would suggest an OBD, check/clean your MAF (as per the norm  ) and see what you get. But if you are getting a baddly performing gear and get an OBD code to back this, you could be looking at a box rebuild, new or second hand unit 
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #2 on: May 2nd, 2006, 3:05pm » |
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It's gone off now and I've driven a few miles without it coming back. The tranny fluid is still red, but is a little bit dark I think.
Have ordered an OBD cable, and will try the MAF cleaning too.
How much is an autobox recon if that is the problem? Around £1k I bet?
Oh well...
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #3 on: May 2nd, 2006, 4:03pm » |
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Hi,
just been through similar, see my earlier postings, ended up getting a s/h box from Highlander, and got a local automatic shop to fit it, ca £400 all in. no more box problems.....cant say the same about the rest of the car 
may not be this, but doesnt have to be £1k if it is......
cheers
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adowds
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #4 on: May 2nd, 2006, 5:15pm » |
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Thanks Tintin, that's encouraging! as you say, it may not be that bad. One thing at a time!
Al
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #5 on: May 2nd, 2006, 7:10pm » |
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Same here, bit the bullet and got a second hand unit from paulscorp. All in all, £320 inc labour but only trust members when it comes to a second hand unit. With a breakers or ebay job you really take yur chances!
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #6 on: May 2nd, 2006, 7:22pm » |
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Aye, guess so. But are there that many low-mileage Scorpios about still? Is buying a 90k box and fitting it risking the £3-400 for that job a bit?
It seems like even a box in good order sold in good faith with red fluid etc, can still go pop suddenly with little warning.
Has anyone has a box reconditioned? How much was it?
Going to go out and do the MAF thing in a bit, wish me luck! OBD cable ordered today, £70 inc from www.ukobd.co.uk
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #7 on: May 2nd, 2006, 9:37pm » |
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Well, did the MAF thing, although it didn't seem too dirty. Put it back together, went for a run, all seemed good...
But reversing back into the parking space, the box wouldn't engage reverse, and the OD light started flashing again. Switch off and on, and it was all okay.
Guess I need to do the OBD thing and see what errors I'm getting. But it don't look good, eh?
Is there any other option apart from waiting with my AA card until I break down? Isolate the OBD errors, and maybe bite the bullet with a recon/secondhand box I guess? I presume Ford dealers are a waste of time at this point? Worth trying an automatic transmission specialist? Anyone know one in Surrey? I'm in Croydon and there's one in Yell.com that's nearby.
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #8 on: May 2nd, 2006, 9:59pm » |
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I've just looked on 'Honest Johns' website (Telegraph motoring) and he lists King Automatics at The Chalk Pit.College Road,Epsom KT17 4JA. Tel 01372 728769.
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #9 on: May 2nd, 2006, 10:01pm » |
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Cool - thanks for that Simmo!
Epsom's pretty near, will put them on my phoning list...
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #10 on: May 2nd, 2006, 11:23pm » |
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There are of coarse no givens when it comes to a second hand box, one from a memeber can fail as fast as the next one. You can only know that it works before you pay your cash. A full recon can be £650-£850, depends where you are.
As it turns out, the majority of boxes CAN last well past 200K, a regular oil/filter change can prolong the life of a box to acheive this fig. A hell of a lot of scorps are still on there first oil/filter when they fail, and this can be well into the mid 100K mark. A recon is of coarse money well spent in the majority of cases, but most recons only repace the bits that are worn, and leave the rest, ready for a possable future prob (OK 10k'S later maybe). This is not a fun problem at all but unlike complete engine failure, may not be the end of the world.
BTW, what year do you have? If it is 95, It is well documented on the site about the older loom failure causing all sorts of probs as well.... 
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #11 on: May 2nd, 2006, 11:28pm » |
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It is a 1995 car, yes...
Is this the engine bay loom thingy? I'm thinking that the random nature of the errors may point to an electrical problem as it happens... Will check this out tomorrow. Is the only damage the visible stuff from the engine bay? You don't have to drop the gearbox to spot the damage?
I know what you mean with the recon/used box quandary. Would an oil change be worth a go before changing the box do we reckon?
By the way, top screen name Bawflinger. You another Jock? I'm from Greenock, but live down in that London now...
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #12 on: May 3rd, 2006, 1:12am » |
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LOL, Yup origonaly from East Kilbride, also living in southern Jessie land (Just NW of London, High Wycombe). A visual inspection of the loom around the engine bay can be a good indication. Any visable Splitting, cracking or corroded outer sheaths can be bad news right away, but the loom can be damaged on or around the box, which is not vewable from the bay, thats a job for a ramp. An OBD should tell you what you want but there are a few tricks. An electrical (loom or connection)problem may cause false codes but can be sorted out by taking a reading first to see what you get. Then disconect the battery for at least 30 mins, then take it for a long run. The false codes (if any) will disappear but the real ones will stay as the true problems will still be there until you fix them. At least, I'm sure thats the way it goes........... An oil change is prob a moot point until you check out the possable problem, could be throwing good money after bad.
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #13 on: May 3rd, 2006, 9:40am » |
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Al, Another one for you to try www.hardyengineering.co.uk. Near junction 9 of M25 (Leatherhead).
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #14 on: May 3rd, 2006, 7:09pm » |
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see what the OBD comes up with and do some research..Id ring around some auto specialists ..just to test the water ..ie how do they sound? Are they knowledgeable about this box? What options will they give you? good luck with the OBD scan thats the first step...
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #15 on: May 3rd, 2006, 9:28pm » |
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OOOOOkayyy.
went for a run, with the OBD cable laptop in place, and provoked the OD flash. No bad symptoms from the motor, just the light flash. But the digimoto lite didn;t show any erroe codes or anything. Came back home, had dinner, went back out and plugged lappy in again, get threee error codes:
P0135, P0141, P0155
According to the excellent code list, these are all oxygen sensor faults. What does this mean Can failing 02 sensors cause the OD light?
I think I need to spend more time with the software, clear these faults and see what else arises.
Kinda encouraged there are no tranny error codes. This is probably misplaced happiness of course...
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #16 on: May 4th, 2006, 4:27pm » |
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Mmm, dont know about that one. Perhaps someone else can help with those. The funny thing is mine also rev'd N thumped into 3rd which is normaly a sign of a faulty solenoid but never got a code for it on a scan 
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #17 on: May 4th, 2006, 8:47pm » |
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Well, it's all getting worse. Got a code 1747 now - EPC solenoid short circuit. And the box is going pretty spastic now - not engaging, slipping, thumping, all the rotten stuff. All the O2 sensor errors are still coming up too.
I guess there's no advice other than start phoning automatic transmission shops...
Gutted. I've been spending a load of cash getting the proper mats for it, replacing pollen filters, sorting the keys at the dealer, all the right stuff. Now it's going to nuts itself in a multi-hundred-pound way.
Maybe I should have got a nice wee focus 1.4 on the finance after all.
The only thing in my favour is the tranny oil is still red. Hmmm.
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #18 on: May 4th, 2006, 9:31pm » |
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hi
Just on an off chance, remove the facia around the gear shifter and check the cables
i recently had some strange box problems but the one that made me strip that part of the car down was that i was getting the tone saying the car wasn’t in park when i was,
i found a heart breaking site, all the cables under there had melted together and the S button melted solid too
the cables run off under the front passenger seat and then all the way along under the dash ( dash out job  )
like i said it's an off chance but may as well have a look, it's very simple to strip that part of the car down
Matt
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Re: Oh no!!! O/D light flashing!
« Reply #19 on: May 4th, 2006, 9:37pm » |
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Cheers mate, will add that to the list of checks.
I had it idling outside a minute ago to check the fluid again, and it had a wee panic attack - big misfires, rough as hell idle, etc etc.
Maybe it's not the box - will do a load of ignition and fuel checks this weekend I reckon.
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