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invernessguy
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2.3 clutch problem
« on: Jun 13th, 2006, 8:45pm » |
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hi all....
got a problem with my clutch tonight...
1st of all, new clutch, and slave cylinder was fitted in january.
Tonight, while stopped at lights, car in 1st gear, foot on clutch, i felt a strange vibration through my foot, then the car started to creep forward! Thought i had got an auto for a minute!
Anyway, the long and the short of it, is now i cant select 1st or 2nd gear while stationary, and with extreme trouble while its moving. all other gears engage ok. If i do manage to get it in 1st gear, car will attempt to move forward wil clutch pedal on the floor..... HELP!!!!
donnie
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Kjetil S
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #1 on: Jun 13th, 2006, 9:01pm » |
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How is the brake fluid level?
When was the fluid last changed?
Ever changed the gear oil?
Any noises from the gear box when in neutral?
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #2 on: Jun 13th, 2006, 9:04pm » |
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brake fluid level ok.
not been changed for a while (about 2 yrs ago, but bled regularly, so prob ok)
gear oil changed about 2 yrs ago as well.
no obvious noises from gearbox, but with my power steering pump screaming just now, long story, i cant be too sure....
donnie
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #3 on: Jun 13th, 2006, 9:21pm » |
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Then it beats me.. 
My did/does some of the same, but the difficulty engaging gears apply to all gears. Changed the master cylinder, which did make it go from inoperable to difficult to use. Changing the gear oil made it somewhat better (usually no problems changing gears below 3500rpm). I'm planning on doing another oil change asap. BUT mine does make a sort of chuffing sound when in neutral and a sort of turbine noise when accelerating (not when maintaining speed). My box probably needs a new slave cylinder to be 100% again, but I doubt your box have the same problem.
I'm sure an MT75 expert will come rushing in any moment now 
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #4 on: Jun 13th, 2006, 9:25pm » |
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i hope so, and thanks for your input
donnie
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Jonnycab
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #5 on: Jun 13th, 2006, 9:48pm » |
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It does sound like the clutch release bearing could be at fault.
Is the clutch still under warantee?...If so I'd take the car back to the fitter.
Slightly more worrying is the fact that it could also be the synchromesh......fingers crossed
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #6 on: Jun 13th, 2006, 10:15pm » |
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hi johnny, it does feel to me like a sticky release bearing, but the fact that the car will creep, like an auto , with the clutch in.....
i dont know.... its off to the garage again tomorrow.... I had a burst power steering pipe last week, and i drove the car home, and then to the garage, with no power steering, now i have a pump which screams all day long! Its amazing how quickly you can go off a car!!
If this is clutch release bearing again, im not gonna repair it.
Anyone want a scrapper with loads of new bits on it?
donnie
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sector-9
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #7 on: Jun 13th, 2006, 10:29pm » |
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Might be a problem with the pressure plate not releasing fully (air in hydraulics, leaking slave cylinder or broken clutch spring) so the clutch is dragging. Could also be gearbox internal fault but I think is unlikely - in any case you can check by turning the input shaft whilst in neutral and holding the output stationary - there'll be some resistance but you should be able to turn the shaft without difficulty.
I think you'll need to drop the gearbox to be able to find the cause, but at least on the 4-cyl manual this isn't a difficult or long job as long as the exhaust and heat shields come off easily...
Darren
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #8 on: Jun 13th, 2006, 10:37pm » |
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thanks darren, im just at ther end of my tether with this car, after two and a half years with it. Exhaust was off two months ago, as new cat fitted. Clutch was replaced with a ford item in january, as was slave cylinder. Dont really think its a gearbox problem, there is 133000 on the car, and no noises from gearbox, although there was a clonk on taking up drive, which i think was the driveshaft donut?
Anyway, its gonna go to the garage tomorrow, and i will decide its fate depending on the diagnosis
donnie
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #9 on: Jun 13th, 2006, 10:50pm » |
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A faulty release bearing can make the car creep forward if it is not stopping the input shaft from turning
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #10 on: Jun 13th, 2006, 11:15pm » |
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sounds like thats the problem. Does anyone have any idea where i stand with faulty parts that would have been fitted in january, by a non ford garage? could i claim back the cost of the parts from ford? or get a replacement?
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #11 on: Jun 13th, 2006, 11:49pm » |
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I had a gearbox problem a few years back on my old 95 2.0 Ghia. I bought a new MT75 box from Ford, & had it fitted at a local garage. 18 months later the gearbox developed a fault (synchromesh). I phoned Ford & they told me there was only a years warantee on the box, so the warantee was no longer valid. 
Most clutches are guaranteed for 3 years, but Ford gearboxes are only guaranteed for 12 months 
As for getting the money back from Ford for clutch parts....they probably only guarantee them for a fortnight.
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #12 on: Jun 14th, 2006, 7:08pm » |
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Most new parts come with a year warranty so Ford should replace the faulty clutch components; however the garage are likely to charge for labour as they only tend to warrant work for between 28 days and 3 months. If you can do the job yourself then it may cost you nothing at all apart from the car being off the road for the time it takes.
Ford may refuse warranty on the basis the parts were fitted incorrectly, but as long as they'll put this in writing (which they should if they're refusing to honour their warranty) then you'll have a claim against the garage.
Darren
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invernessguy
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #13 on: Jun 18th, 2006, 10:10pm » |
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got car back from garage yesterday, they were so busy they didnt have a ramp free for days, but it was worth the wait...... spigot shaft bearing, only 12 quid from ford, AND they had it in stock.... woohoo!! happy again.....
donnie
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #14 on: Jun 18th, 2006, 10:51pm » |
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Darn god d a m n spigot bearing again...well I'll be 
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Re: 2.3 clutch problem
« Reply #15 on: Jun 18th, 2006, 11:06pm » |
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now all i need to do is
get my front discs replaced under warranty, warped after 2 weeks!
a new power steering pump
replace rear nearside caliper thats sticking
check out the knock from the front left
and get my aircon blowing cold!
its never ending, it is?
donnie
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