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Chieftain
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As the car only came with 1 key (red dot) I want to have a spare, understand I need the red master, as I dont have it any idea how much Ford will charge to provide replacement?
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Re: Master key
« Reply #1 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 10:08am » |
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Rather a lot if memory serves 
Ive come across a lot of cars with the EECV/Safeguard combination with the remnants of the last "red dot" key taped to the underneath of the dashboard near the sensor, which allows the use of a standard tibbe key.
Personally, I'd use a similar trick and have a stand alone Cat II immobiliser fitted, which will cost less than £150 fitted
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tintin
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Re: Master key
« Reply #2 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 10:51am » |
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im shortly going to be playing with this, i also have one black key. but, i also have a PATS system (should be expensive to pick one up), which comes with a red key. i will swap the PATS system, get a metal bit of the key made from my black key, then insert that into the red key (apparently you can pull out the metal bit and glue a new one in).
this should mean the doors/ignition still work, but i have a red key to programme any other i make up.
will let you know how i get on.
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Chieftain
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Re: Master key
« Reply #3 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 11:27am » |
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Out of intrest my local Ford dealer will charge £90 for full diagnositc, new red key and 3 new black keys.
Also I think they are good as a ABS diagnostic is £45 next dealer bristol street motors charge £75
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Re: Master key
« Reply #4 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 11:32am » |
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Thats a tremendous price, seems too good to be true
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Chieftain
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Re: Master key
« Reply #5 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 12:14pm » |
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Yes it does but just had it as a quote in case I cant finally sort the ABS out. Also will try to have parts delivered same day if possible so car can be returned asp. Watch this space.
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heliphil58
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Re: Master key
« Reply #6 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 7:29pm » |
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I too only had a black with red dot key and have had a clone key cut £50 works all the car too
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Re: Master key
« Reply #7 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 9:54pm » |
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this is all very confusing , i only ever got the one black key with my scorp, no red key. i thought i better have a spare made so got one cut at a heel bar for a fiver, works fine.....
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Re: Master key
« Reply #8 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 10:11pm » |
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Does it start the engine? maybe your PATS has been disabled?
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taliban aka Cheekyboy2
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Re: Master key
« Reply #9 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 10:13pm » |
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yeah, starts engine, from what i remember, does all doors etc.
will double check tomorrow....
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Re: Master key
« Reply #10 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 10:39pm » |
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maybe red key in the car somewhere? like strapped near the PATS?
or maybe none of us actually have immobilisors, and ford are charging for mythical red keys? 
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TiberiuS
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Re: Master key
« Reply #11 on: Mar 1st, 2007, 12:18am » |
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on Feb 28th, 2007, 10:39pm, tintin wrote:| or maybe none of us actually have immobilisors, and ford are charging for mythical red keys? |
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Not sure I even had a Scorpio, but I do remember something about an autobox dying at 100k so maybe it was more than juat a mirage
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Jonnycab
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Re: Master key
« Reply #12 on: Mar 1st, 2007, 2:41am » |
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All this talk about red keys has me worried..
....thinking back to when I bought my first Scorp in 2001, the seller gave me 3 keys...a red one, a black one with a red bit on top & a key with a push button light on it.
When I bought my latest Scorp a year ago, I was only given the black key with the red bit on top & the key with the push button light on it (which works  )...but no red key
Do you really need the red key if you have the black key with the red bit on top ? 
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Alastair
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Re: Master key
« Reply #13 on: Mar 1st, 2007, 7:58am » |
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The guy I bought my car from told me to keep the black key with the red dot in a safe place as it was the master key
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pinto
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Re: Master key
« Reply #14 on: Mar 1st, 2007, 8:20am » |
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As long as you dont loose or break the red dot key, all will be fine  - but its if you do loose it then problems start as you cant deactivate the PATS and you cant re-program another key without the red master key.
The only option then would be to have the car recovered to a ford dealer where they replace the PATS module and resupply with a red master and 2 or 3 dot keys - a service which wouldnt leave you change from £500 or more
Chieftans quote sounds almost too good to be true.. unless ford have had a change of heart ? 
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Chieftain
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Re: Master key
« Reply #15 on: Mar 1st, 2007, 8:30am » |
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I did think it was to goodas well, but they will honour that price if I take it in within the next 3 weeks, cant ask fairer than that. In fact when he was quoting he almost seemed to sound guilty that it was so much!!
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pinto
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Re: Master key
« Reply #16 on: Mar 1st, 2007, 8:35am » |
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There is one possibilty...
Looking at my brothers V-Tech Top engine diagnostic tester, theres an option for "immobiliser control", something ive yet had time to play with - perhaps ford have released the programming protocols to the aftermarket suppliers and its now possible to reprogram a blank red key to fit you PATS module ?
That would be significantly cheaper
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Re: Master key
« Reply #17 on: Mar 1st, 2007, 9:48am » |
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on Mar 1st, 2007, 2:41am, jonnycab wrote:All this talk about red keys has me worried..
....thinking back to when I bought my first Scorp in 2001, the seller gave me 3 keys...a red one, a black one with a red bit on top & a key with a push button light on it.
When I bought my latest Scorp a year ago, I was only given the black key with the red bit on top & the key with the push button light on it (which works )...but no red key
Do you really need the red key if you have the black key with the red bit on top ? |
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jonny, yours being the facelift only came with two black keys, it was the earlier models that had the red key (there is the odd exception)
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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Jonnycab
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Re: Master key
« Reply #18 on: Mar 1st, 2007, 12:02pm » |
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Cheers Stuart ....that's one less thing I have to worry about 
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taliban aka Cheekyboy2
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Re: Master key
« Reply #19 on: Mar 1st, 2007, 6:14pm » |
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hmmmmm, even more frightened now after hearing all these costs, whereabouts is the pats as someone suggested my red key might be taped next to it?
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