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Jonnycab
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #40 on: Dec 8th, 2008, 1:17am » |
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Ren, you make a good point there  ....flushing doesn't necassarily work, because the water doesn't have to go through all the veins in order to exit the matrix. The whole matrix has to be flowing with hot coolant for it to produce good heat, but if the veins are blocked or restricted then only a minimal amount of water is flowing through maybe a couple of veins, so turning on the blower will only give a quick blast of heat 
Since I replaced my matrix (& before), I have read loads of different techniques of trying to unblock the matrix & none have ever worked long term....from flushing it for hours (not good if you're on a water meter) to filling it with limescale remover & leaving it to soak for a couple of days  ....have even read about filling it with Coca Cola or Pepsi in the hope the phosphoric acid in these sugary products may somehow be the miracle cure to a blocked matrix 
I think that once the scale & stodge gets into those very thin veins, then it is almost impossible to clear it....plus the fact that limescale being an alkali, may have actually eaten through the aluminium matrix & caused it to leak
How long a matrix lasts is all down to whether the vehicle has been properly serviced in the past & basic (Ford) servicing doesn't usually include a cooling system flush & fresh antifreeze. Also, depending on what area of the country you live in, you are probably more likely to have more problems in a hard water area
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Jonnycab
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #41 on: Dec 8th, 2008, 1:38am » |
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Freddieboy, I can't understand why Ford can't supply the correct matrix .....oh yea, sorry, it's Essex Ford  .....I don't bother with them anymore...they're useless 
Tell the garage to ring Dovercourt Ford in Chelmsford....they're much better .....I ordered my matrix (2.3 with aircon....they're all different apparently ) from them. I rang them late afternoon & asked if they could get it to the (smaller, but nearer to me) South Woodham Dovercourt the next morning......."no problem, It'll be there by 10am"....& it was  ..... 
Are you sure the garage aren't spinning you a yarn because they didn't realise the magnitude of the Scorpio matrix replacement & they're still scatching their heads about how best to tackle it ? 
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #42 on: Dec 8th, 2008, 7:23am » |
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Or Even Try Trevor Porter at Ford Parts UK
He can usually source things , if there are any to be sourced .
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #43 on: Dec 8th, 2008, 9:08am » |
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on Dec 8th, 2008, 1:38am, Jonnycab wrote:Freddieboy, I can't understand why Ford can't supply the correct matrix .....oh yea, sorry, it's Essex Ford .....I don't bother with them anymore...they're useless
Tell the garage to ring Dovercourt Ford in Chelmsford....they're much better .....I ordered my matrix (2.3 with aircon....they're all different apparently ) from them. I rang them late afternoon & asked if they could get it to the (smaller, but nearer to me) South Woodham Dovercourt the next morning......."no problem, It'll be there by 10am"....& it was .....
Are you sure the garage aren't spinning you a yarn because they didn't realise the magnitude of the Scorpio matrix replacement & they're still scatching their heads about how best to tackle it ? |
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Thanks Jon, I rang the garage this morning and gave them the Dovercourt Ford info plus the Kempston Rads Bedford number, plus the core size etc. They even tried County Radiators, who specialise in rebuilds, but no go. Everybody seems to have given them the runaround, I dont blame them at all. Hopefully the new contacts will come up trumps.  Meanwhile the only upside is that I`m saving fuel! cheers fred
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #44 on: Dec 8th, 2008, 5:45pm » |
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Fred.
I can see you nipping out and buying a Skoda
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #45 on: Dec 8th, 2008, 6:49pm » |
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Could do worse !
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #46 on: Dec 8th, 2008, 10:20pm » |
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #47 on: Dec 8th, 2008, 10:56pm » |
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I know many garages think it the height of impudence and they can be surprisingly huffy and sometimes refuse the work, but I always buy the part/s first [obviously not service items] which cuts out the interminable amount of time wasted by them sourcing an item that you found and paid for after only 5 minutes online.
A lot cheaper too.
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Jonnycab
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #48 on: Dec 10th, 2008, 2:19am » |
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Fred wrote..."They even tried County Radiators, who specialise in rebuilds, but no go."
County Rads in Basildon don't seem to have heard of the Scorp .... I rang them a while back about a rad for a 2.3 & guess what ?....they don't do those either ......& they're supposed to be one of the best rad suppliers in the country
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #49 on: Dec 10th, 2008, 8:56am » |
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Mr Floppy.
Have you attempted to wrench Cosworth parts from Ford in 5 minutes ? I still await their efforts after 5 months or more,"still on back order mate" is the stock reply
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #50 on: Dec 10th, 2008, 4:56pm » |
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Hello All. Got the car back at 3pm this afternoon. heater working well. Total cost was £328.90. The matrix was supplied by Kempston Radiators of Bedford (tel.01234 852073) and they sent the correct part within 24hrs (part no. 4001250).
The only downside is that the car has got to go back tomorrow because the anti theft alarm and the front parking sensors arent working. Not surprising really considering the amount of electrics behind the dash. But the heater is excellent. Thanks to all of you who took an interest and gave advice. cheers fred
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #52 on: Dec 10th, 2008, 5:15pm » |
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Fred.
Good on yer,half the worth of the car eh ! money well spent I reckon though,better spending a few quid on the devil you know,than shelling out mega money on an unknown cast off
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #53 on: Dec 10th, 2008, 7:14pm » |
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Fred, That's great news... glad you're sorted. As Gozz says better the devil you know etc. Just remember to hang on to the old unit for Tompion to tinker with!!.
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #54 on: Dec 10th, 2008, 7:20pm » |
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well done fred
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #55 on: Dec 10th, 2008, 7:33pm » |
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Good news, plenty of warm air now, all set for the British winter.
This is when you wished that your seat heaters worked.
A toasty bum, nothing nicer when the temp takes a dive 
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #56 on: Dec 10th, 2008, 7:59pm » |
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On closer inspection, the anti theft system is working-( I can hear the two seperate operations when locking manually or by keyfob) but there is no double flash of the side repeater lamps and indicators. does anyone have a clue where this circuit is fed from? I may be able to fix it myself IF ITS ACCESSIBLE
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #57 on: Dec 10th, 2008, 8:03pm » |
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It needs to be programmed in by the FDS or WDS, your car just wont have in enabled
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #58 on: Dec 10th, 2008, 8:11pm » |
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on Dec 10th, 2008, 8:03pm, Highlander wrote:| It needs to be programmed in by the FDS or WDS, your car just wont have in enabled |
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It was working before it went to have the heater fixed. cheers fred
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Re: The bad news.....and the bad news....
« Reply #59 on: Dec 10th, 2008, 8:15pm » |
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possibly been reset then? I've heard of it going off after working on the car which means reprogramming.
never heard of it being a physical problem before.
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