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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #60 on: Apr 13th, 2009, 7:03pm » |
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Hi Tim,
In the battery side fusebox can you try swapping black relays 18 and 21 over, they are identical, just trying to eliminate relay 21 as a possible fault.
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/battery_fusebox.gif
You have already checked the big fuses in that fuse box yes? the ones at the front? l, ll, and lll on the diagram
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #61 on: Apr 13th, 2009, 8:15pm » |
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Thanks wojtekor. I can't see 3 screws under the bonnet never mind the 4 under the dash. Hope your info helps if I have to go that way
Thanks Tim
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #62 on: Apr 13th, 2009, 8:21pm » |
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Many thanks Highlander I will try swapping R16/21 over tomorrow. Yes I checked fuses I II III and all are OK Getting 12v at them. So I expect 12v is going from them over to the Central fuse box
Many thanks for all your help. Tim
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #63 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 12:35am » |
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You need to get your head in the footwell & look up to see the bolts for the central fusebox.
You may find it easier to take the drivers seat out, although I can reach it with the seat in place.
Check none of the plugs are loose.
If you have the insulation panel just above the pedals, you’ll need to remove it first.
If the wiring has never been disturbed you may have felt insulation over the fusebox preventing you from seeing it. The insulation is held with 4 clips onto the studs you can see here:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/fuseboxrearwiring.jpg
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #64 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 8:00am » |
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Thanks Tompion, great pic. I can't see any screws under the bonnet side ! are there any to remove on the out-side? Do you know--- if I remove 4 nuts, can I then pull the fusebox out into the scuttle panel and then remove plugs from under the bonnet. as oposed to, first removing them under the dash
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #65 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 10:38am » |
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Tim
The picture is on the Scorpio site, if you go here and click on the pictures they will enlarge:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/fusebox.htm
Not done the job myself, just had a nose around whilst I was working on something else.
I don’t think the cables will be long enough to pull through without disconnecting the plugs first.
Not sure what the 3 screws wojtekor is referring to, as far as I know it’s just the 4 screws underneath.
Personally I’d do some testing of whether the power is getting to the fusebox before going as far as stripping it down.
Disconnect the battery if you’re doing any serious work on it.
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #66 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 12:13pm » |
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Hi Tim!
Like Dave said the cables won't be long enough to pull through without disconnecting the plugs first.
When it comes to those screws, there are 4 underneath and in my case there are 3 screws inside the fusebox.
Tim, Dave you don't have them?! Maybe mine's somewhat special 
Tim if you really can't see any screws under the bonnet, undo those above the pedals and try to pull it out a bit... You'll then see if it's not mounted anywhere else...
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #67 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 1:18pm » |
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According to my sources there is ANOTHER pint of Polish beer heading my way
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #68 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 1:41pm » |
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on Apr 14th, 2009, 12:13pm, wojtekor wrote:Hi Tim!
Like Dave said the cables won't be long enough to pull through without disconnecting the plugs first.
When it comes to those screws, there are 4 underneath and in my case there are 3 screws inside the fusebox.
Tim, Dave you don't have them?! Maybe mine's somewhat special
Tim if you really can't see any screws under the bonnet, undo those above the pedals and try to pull it out a bit... You'll then see if it's not mounted anywhere else...
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There are no 3 screws inside my fusebox or the spare I'm looking at now - nor are there any exit holes for 3 screws on the underside.
I notice on the spare that a couple of the plastic clips on the side that hold it together are broken. Could yours have had screws added to hold it together?
Dave
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #69 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 1:48pm » |
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Hi all. got everything going again thanks to Highlander. Will go out now to put things back together. Thanks all for your ideas.
Highlander--- coming from Poland I should think your in for a pint of Vodka !!!! LOL
Thanks all Tim
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #70 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 1:53pm » |
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No problem 
Think this should be one for the fault finder page Boss
Relay 21 in battery side fusebox causing loss of all instrument cluster functions and everything which works on the ignition, such as sunroof, heater, indicators etc.
Lights, hazards and instument cluster backlights work as normal, car still starts and runs.
Relay 18 for the heated screen is an identical relay and can be swapped with 21 to test.
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #71 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 2:33pm » |
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I notice on the spare that a couple of the plastic clips on the side that hold it together are broken. Could yours have had screws added to hold it together?
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hmmmm possible... as mine has not plastic clips at all, somebody must have broken them before and screw it back together in that case...
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aaaaa! it was pure luck mate ;P and without me, causing the brainstorm, you'd never figure it out 
but i'm always there for you ig you need a companion for a drink, beer, vodka, scotch you name it
Good that Tim got it running
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #72 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 2:40pm » |
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on Apr 14th, 2009, 1:53pm, Highlander wrote:No problem
Think this should be one for the fault finder page Boss
Relay 21 in battery side fusebox causing loss of all instrument cluster functions and everything which works on the ignition, such as sunroof, heater, indicators etc.
Lights, hazards and instument cluster backlights work as normal, car still starts and runs. |
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #73 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 3:47pm » |
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[quote author=wojtekor link=board=Problems;num=1238527140;start=60#71 date=04/14/09 at 14:33:57
aaaaa! it was pure luck mate ;P and without me, causing the brainstorm, you'd never figure it out [/quote]
what do you mean you!!! 
i think you'll find i had the ignition idea, so it should be me getting all the beer! 
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #74 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 3:59pm » |
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #75 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 4:10pm » |
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i'm always here (in the background, mainly). 
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #76 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 6:07pm » |
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Thanks to everyone for all your help. Swapped R21 with R18 and everything in the dash came back to life. So special thanks to Highlander.
Only one small little problem now !!! hehehehehehehe
After I put everything back into place, everything working but no Radio. Checked No8 in Central fuese box OK There was an inline fuse going into the back of the radio it was OK also, and there is 12v at it
There is no life in the radio at all. I have the code but it dose not request a CODE. No sign of life. Any Help
Again thanks for everyones for your input.
Tim
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #77 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 6:22pm » |
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fuse 36 power saver ..... Check that one
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #78 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 7:18pm » |
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Thanks Snoopy checked F36 OK-- Changed it anyway but still Radio dead.
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Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
« Reply #79 on: Apr 14th, 2009, 9:05pm » |
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Try Fuse 43 in auxillary box. Cigar lighter. Causes all sorts of weird problems.
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