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einherjar
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24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« on: Aug 28th, 2009, 8:56pm » |
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That's happens only at mornings on cold. I need to help with full throttle to prevent engine dying. After ~30sec engage D and start moving with (sorry, forgot how called on english work on few cylinders)  . Then after ~10sec of movement, engine works fine. I can shut it down and try again at evening - all will be OK, but all repeatings at the next morning. 
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NiceMan
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #1 on: Aug 29th, 2009, 11:32am » |
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Motor temp Sensor..
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einherjar
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #2 on: Sep 1st, 2009, 5:50am » |
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Replaced spark plugs today - no effect. Where is that motor temp sensor?
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #3 on: Sep 1st, 2009, 8:26am » |
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Read THIS page. There is a photo showing the location of various sensors including the ECT. (Engine control temperature} and an explanation of its function. 
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #4 on: Sep 1st, 2009, 6:48pm » |
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ok, and where I can buy new ECT sensor? Can't find it in fiches 
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #5 on: Sep 1st, 2009, 8:02pm » |
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on Sep 1st, 2009, 6:48pm, einherjar wrote:| ok, and where I can buy new ECT sensor? Can't find it in fiches |
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They should be available as 3rd party on any well supplied parts factor. From Ford probably off the shelf.
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #6 on: Sep 4th, 2009, 8:49pm » |
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on Sep 1st, 2009, 8:02pm, tlundkvi wrote:
They should be available as 3rd party on any well supplied parts factor. From Ford probably off the shelf. |
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Thanks, I found many ECT sensors, but now I need to be sure that problem in ECT, cause now, when weather are colder, Scorp can't keep up idle even on evenings and I don't have much time to solve this problem before really cold weather start
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #7 on: Sep 5th, 2009, 9:33am » |
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How is Idle speed valve? its clean? Clean that if not look it before...
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #8 on: Sep 5th, 2009, 10:13am » |
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on Sep 4th, 2009, 8:49pm, einherjar wrote:
Thanks, I found many ECT sensors, but now I need to be sure that problem in ECT, cause now, when weather are colder, Scorp can't keep up idle even on evenings and I don't have much time to solve this problem before really cold weather start |
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Mine was tested with a multimeter, a garage will know what the output voltage should be, mine showed too low reading, but guess the opposite is possible too.
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #9 on: Sep 5th, 2009, 11:01am » |
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I wish at you have no Cabel problem 
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einherjar
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #10 on: Sep 6th, 2009, 4:19pm » |
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on Sep 5th, 2009, 9:33am, NiceMan wrote:| How is Idle speed valve? its clean? Clean that if not look it before... |
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Don't get how can I check idle valve. I need to dismount and disassemble it?
on Sep 5th, 2009, 11:01am, NiceMan wrote:I wish at you have no Cabel problem
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What Cabel did you mean?
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #11 on: Sep 7th, 2009, 8:11am » |
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Yes you need to remove the Idle valve and clean lubricate with a light oil like 3 in 1. You could also read THIS page.
I think Nice Man is saying he hopes you do not have wiring problems.
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #12 on: Sep 7th, 2009, 10:18am » |
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Yes... i wish at cabel iok... meen motor cabel... i need make all motor and Transmissio cabel new... old broke and motor stop work...
Now its works nice whti new cabel...
It can think at broken cabel in motor its normal...
http://www.riceracing.net/gal/thumbnails.php?album=36
Link has some photo from my cabel projekt.
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einherjar
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #13 on: Sep 7th, 2009, 12:01pm » |
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on Sep 7th, 2009, 8:11am, Simmo wrote:| Yes you need to remove the Idle valve and clean lubricate with a light oil like 3 in 1. |
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3 in 1? Don't hear about that sorts of oil or lubricates how about synth motor oil? Or maybe vegetable oil?
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #14 on: Sep 7th, 2009, 12:47pm » |
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on Sep 7th, 2009, 8:11am, Simmo wrote:
Thanks, but all those troubles related to permanent poor idle. My problem appears on really cold engine and I not just losing my idle, I should open throttle almost full for couple secs for force higher revs through that flapping and coughing state. And than engine starting pull normal until next deceleration. When engine temp reaches ~40C, engine goes back to normal condition
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dml316
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #15 on: Sep 7th, 2009, 2:11pm » |
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Long shot - but I had idling problems with my 24V after I'd been fiddling in the engine bay.
It turned out that I'd accidentally knocked the 3 vacuum lines off the connections (the 3 plasic lines between the coil and next to the header bottle.
Worth a check - but with these cars, it's normally the expensive bit that needs fixing!
Good luck
Darren
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #16 on: Sep 7th, 2009, 3:26pm » |
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Good... Look Vacuum line... Many time plastic T-Peace is broke... Somebody other can say where they find because my english is poor....
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einherjar
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #17 on: Sep 8th, 2009, 3:17pm » |
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ECT checked - it's ok. Can't dismount idle valve - screw was steeped and I don't have WD-40  Also, replaced air filter don't give effect
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #18 on: Sep 11th, 2009, 12:38pm » |
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Idle valve checked - 12V goes on motor when ignition ON, but this motor not even moves And most offensive that this idle motor not math with idle motors from other engines, so price for them is too high Is it possible to drill rivets and disassemble it for motor repairment?
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einherjar
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Re: 24V bad idle and stalling at morning
« Reply #19 on: Sep 11th, 2009, 9:21pm » |
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My electrician checked this idle solenoid - all works fine, I just not grasp principle of it work.
So I decide go to service, let's they do diagnostic of engine.
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