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brownie
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can someones tell me wot it means when the red light on the dash says on all the time and it will not start it looks like i will after put the 156 back on the road. plz
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Re: pats
« Reply #2 on: Nov 1st, 2009, 7:45pm » |
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thanks it is rainning here do i need to say more
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Re: pats
« Reply #3 on: Nov 2nd, 2009, 1:07am » |
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on Nov 1st, 2009, 7:45pm, brownie wrote:| thanks it is rainning here do i need to say more |
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Yes....it would be handy 
Firstly....do you have a battery cover ?
Secondly......is yours a mid '97 or later, or facelift model ?....& have you noticed any water drips in the passenger footwell ?
Above the passenger footwell cover is the PCM/ECU (silver box), which on later models has the PATS incorporated into it.
If this gets wet (leak from bulkhead, under battery) & water gets into the pins in the multiplug, then it can cause this kind of problem.
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Re: pats
« Reply #4 on: Nov 3rd, 2009, 5:50pm » |
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hi yet again no battery cover but i have used bubble rap and bags from last Jan the fuse boxes are bone dry but the loom is wet and yes the p/side foot well is wet too i parked up for 5 Min's and came back and the pats was on not flashing just on very dim so any help would be most blessed
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Re: pats
« Reply #5 on: Nov 3rd, 2009, 7:22pm » |
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If the passenger side footwell is wet then as JC says the grommet behind the fusebox is letting water in through the bulkhead and that is running all over the electronics as it does so. NOT a good idea.  .
Have a read of THIS page as it shows how to remove the panel in front of the battery. You need to make sure there is no rubbish, leaves etc, blocking the drainage channels as this is the most likely cause of your problem IF the boxes are dry. They may appear dry from the top BUT if water is held in the tray it will get into the layers of the fusebox underneath.
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Re: pats
« Reply #6 on: Nov 3rd, 2009, 7:41pm » |
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thanks the fuses boxes have been out and strip down and they was bone dry but loom was really wet the fuse boxes was new last Jan from ford now you sad this it sending me back to the plug on the loom or the loom wot do you think ? brownie
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Re: pats
« Reply #7 on: Nov 3rd, 2009, 7:54pm » |
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If water is getting in to the passenger footwell the likely cause is because the CCM/Pats which sits behind the glovebox is getting wet. Lower the glovebox and get in behind there and make sure the large grommet which caries the wires from/to the fusebox through the bulkhead is properly fitted to keep the water out.
Read This and get a battery cover.
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Re: pats
« Reply #8 on: Nov 3rd, 2009, 7:56pm » |
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i will look 2moz thanks and let you know
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Re: pats
« Reply #9 on: Nov 4th, 2009, 7:56am » |
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Brownie, THIS page may help as it shows how to 'drop' the entire glovebox to give access to the CCM. Let us know how you get on and I see you have the offer of a battery cover!. 
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Re: pats
« Reply #10 on: Nov 5th, 2009, 12:33am » |
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thanks for that its still raining here so i will do it Fri/sat and let you know how it went
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Re: pats
« Reply #11 on: Nov 10th, 2009, 6:11pm » |
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well still no luck ever thing is dry the light has gone out on the dash put a live feed to the starter wirer at the key and still no joy nothing at all is they a relay for the starter? brownie
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 10th, 2009, 7:04pm » |
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as mentioned before, depends what year car is. earlier cars have seperate pats units, later facelift pats built into ecu. you will have ignition relays and fuses. have you the owners handbook? full list of fuses and relays in there
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Re: pats
« Reply #13 on: Nov 10th, 2009, 7:25pm » |
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hi 29/05/1998 2.5 TD saloon no handbook
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Re: pats
« Reply #14 on: Nov 10th, 2009, 8:03pm » |
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she be facelift then. search the site, im sure theres a copy of book here somewhere
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Re: pats
« Reply #16 on: Nov 10th, 2009, 9:26pm » |
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ok will do thanks
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Re: pats
« Reply #17 on: Nov 11th, 2009, 8:43pm » |
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still no joy all back together the light flashed then stayed on a sec or two then went off and did not come back on nothing at all when you turn the key where is the pat fuse plz
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Re: pats
« Reply #18 on: Nov 11th, 2009, 9:27pm » |
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hi there
can you recap what is happening and what you've done to try and fix it.
is the engine turning over on the starter motor?
or you are getting nothing when turning the key to start (including the warning lights, etc)?
hth
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Re: pats
« Reply #19 on: Nov 11th, 2009, 10:41pm » |
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hi had it all out fuse boxes behind the glove box the fuse boxes are bone dry it started with the led light came on but very dim its all back in now the led light is out now when turn the key 4 the 1 time it flashed a few times then kept on for a few secs then went out and stayed out it all works but will not turn over we put a live feed at the key side but still no joy wot do you think ?? plz
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