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Re: non starting
« Reply #20 on: Nov 8th, 2009, 3:01pm » |
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Someones been modifying the engine cover 
Its a 2 litre not the 24v Cosworth
So it does cough a bit trying to start but doesnt fire up?
Have you checked for a spark?
possibly coil packs/wiring?
Definitely not PATS as the engine wouldnt crank and the light would flash
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Re: non starting
« Reply #21 on: Nov 8th, 2009, 3:22pm » |
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no have just done what i have posted up will have a look tomorrow with the spark plugs as starting to get dark will post up how i get on as long as its not raining as working outside on it.
yes thats it cough and no start
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Re: non starting
« Reply #22 on: Nov 8th, 2009, 3:25pm » |
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Dark?? where are you? China? 
might be easier checking it in the dark too
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Re: non starting
« Reply #23 on: Nov 8th, 2009, 3:26pm » |
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no lol its come over cloudy essex
true will give it a go
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Re: non starting
« Reply #24 on: Nov 8th, 2009, 3:30pm » |
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I would take the top engine cover off and turn it over in the dark first just to see if there is anything unusual sparking.
Then you can remove the coil packs/plugs and check them but it would be unusual although not impossible if both coil packs were shot..
you can get a 16v running with some throttle on only one cylinder
p.s. Dont rule out the battery, it can turn the engine over fast and not fire it up if its on the way out or not the correct capacity.. its a Scorpio phenomenon
What rating is your battery and can you get it checked?
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Re: non starting
« Reply #25 on: Nov 8th, 2009, 3:54pm » |
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right took number one plug out and had a nice spark off it . But did notice that the plug was bone dry and sooty. So put the plug back in and turned the engine over for awhile then took it out to see if it was damp and it wasnt and it didnt smell of petrol . So its looking like it could be a fuel prob
the bat is a 12v 70ah
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Re: non starting
« Reply #26 on: Nov 8th, 2009, 3:59pm » |
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Is there petrol in it??
It DOES happen, I've done it myself!!
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Re: non starting
« Reply #27 on: Nov 8th, 2009, 4:00pm » |
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yes there is petrol in it i thought that so put ten pounds worth in it just incase and the gauge in the car reads a 1/4 of a tank in it
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Re: non starting
« Reply #28 on: Nov 8th, 2009, 4:07pm » |
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ok, and you said you've checked the relays and fuses?
F16 and F17 in main fuse box
F31, F34, F37 and F42 in auxiliary fuse box
Relay R17 and R19 in Auxiliary fuse box
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/fuseboxes.htm
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Re: non starting
« Reply #29 on: Nov 8th, 2009, 4:23pm » |
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all the fues are ok and will get two relays tomorrow just incase the aa man did look at this but not sure if he look at both the relays and i dont know how to check relays
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Re: non starting
« Reply #30 on: Nov 8th, 2009, 4:28pm » |
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You said in a previous post the fuses and relays were checked and ok??
So you have had the AA look at it too?
Did they not give any indication as to what the problem may be?
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Re: non starting
« Reply #31 on: Nov 8th, 2009, 4:32pm » |
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he had no idea other than take it to a dealer
he checked the green one and said there was 12volts to the fuel pump for about two seconds then nothing and he wasnt sure if that was right . He said the green relay was ok but dont rem him checking the brown one
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Re: non starting
« Reply #32 on: Nov 8th, 2009, 5:11pm » |
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can you check the voltage to the injectors while turning the ignition on and off?
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Re: non starting
« Reply #33 on: Nov 8th, 2009, 5:39pm » |
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i have a volt meter will check in morning if i can rem how to use the thing as been along time lol. Will post the results
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Re: non starting
« Reply #34 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 4:31pm » |
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ok been along time since me last post . The car still dont start so no change there . Have now found out the some thing is switching the fuel pump off . Have dropped the fuel tank and took it out . Took the fuel pump out of the tank run 12v supply from another car battery and the fuel pump runs for as long as the battery is on .Put the pump back on the car and it runs for a sec then turns of . Have been told to run another wire down to the pump so it has another power supply to when you turn the key and this will solve me problem but is this ok to do as it sounds a bit cow boy ish . Does any one have the wiring diagrams for this car or where i can down load it from thanks
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Re: non starting
« Reply #35 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 5:49pm » |
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pump only runs for a second or two when you turn ign on. it only runs all the time when cranking engine and when engine running. hth darren
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Re: non starting
« Reply #36 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 7:34pm » |
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Yep thats what it should do, builds up the pressure then cuts off if the engine doesnt start.
Another wire wont help.
Did you check the injectors?
I'm sure the AA man would have checked the fuel cut out switch in the boot?
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Re: non starting
« Reply #37 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 10:05pm » |
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even when i turn the engine over it doesnt work no will check the injectors in the morn. the cut in the boot seems to be working ok when it trips the red light on top of the dash stays on . When you push the cut out button in the red light goes out so would say its working ok
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Re: non starting
« Reply #38 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 6:41pm » |
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its looking like its the wiring loom on the engine the one that does the injectors and other bits as had a look in the top of the injectors and some one has messed about with the wiring joining in new wires . So will be looking at getting new loom spoke to some bloke that just does scorpios and he said its a common fault with them they get brittle and brake down and it cuts out the fuel to stop a fire .
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Re: non starting
« Reply #39 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 8:48pm » |
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Are the wiring loom for the 2.0L 16V the same as the 2.3L 16V as some one on ebay says it is but a bloke that repairs scorpios says hes not sure but thinks its not
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