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Engine won't start after battery recharge
« on: Jan 10th, 2010, 10:56pm » |
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Hello guys,
I have the following problem with a 1998 2.3 automatic petrol scorpio:
The car hasn't been started for about a month and a half and two days ago I gave it a try, but the battery was dead, totally dead. So I've decided to jump start it but it just made a machine gun sound and did not start. After a while the machine gun sound stopped and now it just did nothing, no sounds nothing when I turned the key in. So I've recharged the battery. Now I have lights in the dashboard headlights work, everything electric works but when I turn the key to start it just does nothing, absolutely nothing, not even dimming the lights in the dashboard. But I've noticed that the lights in the windows switches go off when I try to start it.
Is there something I'm missing, do I need to reset anything?
I must also mention that the car ran perfectly before I stopped driving it. So the last time I stopped the engine everything was perfect.
I would appreciate any advice ...
Thank you in advance.
Alex
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #1 on: Jan 10th, 2010, 11:07pm » |
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maybe the starter motor had seized or maybe even froze and you giving it a wind up has pulled the internals of the motor to bits.the machine gun sound definetly sounds like a seized starter
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #2 on: Jan 10th, 2010, 11:09pm » |
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That happened before recharging, when I jump started it ... I've been checking the fault finder page and noticed that some relays could be also the problem, like R11 and R21 ...
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #3 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 12:14am » |
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Checked the relay's, they work perfectly... I'm really wondering if the starter could have failed just like that. It worked perfectly before the battery ran out ...
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #4 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 8:25am » |
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The machine gun sound does sound like the solenoid TRYING very hard to engage which it has to do before the starter actually engages... worth giving the starter a check . Could well be that the starter has jammed. If its an auto then you need to get the starter off to free it off.
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #5 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 11:39am » |
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hey, thank you very much guys. could you please also tell me where the starter is located?
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #6 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 12:32pm » |
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Have a look at This page which should help. 
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #7 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 12:33pm » |
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I looked at that page, but really doesn't help me much, I can't distinguish any other parts in that drawing that could help me find the location of the starter motor
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #8 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 12:46pm » |
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IIRC it sits under the oil filter on my 2.0ltr. Essentially it is fixed in a hole in the bell housing so that the gear on the starter engages with the toothed ring on the flywheel inside the housing.
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #9 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 1:44pm » |
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I would say your battery is completely dead rather than it being a starter motor problem.
Fit a known good battery on it, jump starting it from a good battery doesnt always work with Scorpios (dont know the reason but it doesn't)
Might be worth trying to start it in Neutral in case its now got a selector switch problem and the starter is inhibited...
but theres big money being wagered on the battery
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #10 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 2:06pm » |
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on Jan 11th, 2010, 1:44pm, Highlander wrote:but theres big money being wagered on the battery
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Steady on there Stuart !!  . This is not the Stuart we all know !! . Betting.... 
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #11 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 2:13pm » |
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I'd bet on this one
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #12 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 3:07pm » |
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the battery is very good now ... voltage is good, I got lights and everything ... my money is on the starter motor 
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #13 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 4:42pm » |
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on Jan 11th, 2010, 3:07pm, sapte wrote:| the battery is very good now ... voltage is good, I got lights and everything ... my money is on the starter motor |
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Have you tested the battery?
tried it in N?
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #14 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 4:44pm » |
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Have to wait till tomorrow to unmount the starter ... it's quite in an inconvenient place and I don't have a garage, so tomorrow is the day ..
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #16 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 10:45pm » |
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I concur with Highlander. Get a loan of a good proper battery for the car and it will start first time! Not some cheap piece of carp, but a proper guaranteed battery. I had to do the same with my old Zodiac. It's very difficult to test a battery under-load, and putting headlights on and any other electrics on won't really test it. There could be just one semi-dead cell, and if your car is 'finnicky' of this it will 'machine-gun'.
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #17 on: Feb 10th, 2010, 2:59pm » |
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hi guys (1997 scorpio 2000 16v auto)
i too have problems starting, new battery fitted yesterday ! it started all day yesterday and last night.
went to it today and it wouldnt start, i left it for about 30 minutes and it started ? then left it running for a while turned it off and you have guessed it
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #18 on: Feb 10th, 2010, 3:16pm » |
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Hi Frank,
does it crank the engine over or is it completely dead?
if it cranks, does it try to fire?
What was the rating of your new battery?
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Re: Engine won't start after battery recharge
« Reply #19 on: Feb 10th, 2010, 3:20pm » |
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thanks highlander
yes the engine cranks over fast. yes it seems to want to fire
as for the battery ? i just left it to bloke that fitted it.
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