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dpr1974
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Evening all, i'm david just joined, i don't own a scorpio but i am building a trike with a 2ltr 16v scorpio engine and auto box and that's where my problem is.
Thanks to the ford tis and autodata i have been able to wire everything up except for the one thing, the wires from the pats transceiver (around key barrel) to where ever they go, does any body know?
I can't check at the moment but i believe there are four wires there but i don't know the colour code without checking.
Many thanks
david
i forgot to mention that the ecu has pats built into it.
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Re: pats
« Reply #1 on: Oct 15th, 2010, 10:12am » |
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Hi David
On a scorpio the pats is a seperate unit that the transciver just plugs into, are you sure the ECU is scorpio or an Escort rs2000?
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Re: pats
« Reply #2 on: Oct 15th, 2010, 6:30pm » |
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Hi Matt, i read that early scorpios were a seperate unit and then became joined, i check this with my local ford garage and they confirmed this and the autodata wiring diagrams show wiring for the ecu with and without pats, the ford garage didn't mention anything about rs2000 so i'm not sure.
david
Matt, do you know where the pats is located, as i'll go back to my local breakers to see if i can find it. ta
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Mike H
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Re: pats
« Reply #3 on: Oct 15th, 2010, 11:14pm » |
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I believe above the glove box, next door to the ECU and in a sort of cage (?)
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Re: pats
« Reply #4 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 8:36am » |
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This page shows the unit which is located,as MikeH says, behind the glove boxwhich drops right down to access it. The Pats section is usually held in with a riveted bracket to prevent its easy removal!. The glovebox drops by slipping off the catches at the forward edge on each side.
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Re: pats
« Reply #5 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 10:13am » |
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The ECU is the riveted bit,the PATS unit is to the right of it,a black box in a bare metal cage/bracket which is bolted in,they are,as designed,a sod to remove.
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Re: pats
« Reply #6 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 11:33am » |
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 Thanks for that Gozz. 
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Re: pats
« Reply #7 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 12:34pm » |
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David, I have a few 2.0 autos for bits if you get stuck
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Re: pats
« Reply #8 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 1:08pm » |
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on Oct 14th, 2010, 9:31pm, dpr1974 wrote:i am building a trike with a 2ltr 16v scorpio engine and auto box
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As it don't do too badly power wise with about one and a half tons of car attached I reckon that's going to go like a certain brown coloured waste material off of a certain type of gardening implement 
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Re: pats
« Reply #9 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 1:37pm » |
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We had a guy on a few years back making a trike with a 24v engine and box, once he got the wiring sorted etc we never heard from him again.
I assume he is dead
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Re: pats
« Reply #10 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 1:43pm » |
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i sold a 24v block to a bloke who bolts them into a vee dub beetle (old style) and drags them!!
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Re: pats
« Reply #11 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 2:55pm » |
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We had a guy on a few years back making a trike with a 24v engine and box, once he got the wiring sorted etc we never heard from him again.
I assume he is dead
( Highlander's post)
Probably went straight to the pearly gates on the trike eh Stuart,or p'raps to Hades !
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Re: pats
« Reply #12 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 4:13pm » |
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As Jeremy Clarkson said on a recent TG proggy going through the Pearly Gates backwards and on fire is doing it properly
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dpr1974
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Re: pats
« Reply #13 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 6:07pm » |
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Thanks for all the replies, luckily i have the Central Control module allready, didn't realise that was what i needed so thanks for that.
as for the nuts of a shove comment Mike H, is my answer.
thanks again every one.
david
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Re: pats
« Reply #14 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 6:23pm » |
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Pats module is in the metal box that the orange coloured module is mounted on
1998 2.3 auto shown
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dpr1974
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Re: pats
« Reply #15 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 7:15pm » |
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Thanks Stixy, because i was just looking at the ford tis that i have and the central control unit doesn't seem to be what i'm looking for. don't suppose you have a wiring digram for the pats?
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Re: pats
« Reply #16 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 7:30pm » |
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There are no official wiring diagrams but what have you got ? Which engine gearbox ? what loom are you using ?
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Re: pats
« Reply #17 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 8:08pm » |
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it's a (1995) 2.0ltr 16v with a auto box however i started from scratch with the wiring loom because there was so much i didn't need on the original one, plus i wanted the charge start and run harness seperate from the the rest.
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Re: pats
« Reply #18 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 8:20pm » |
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With the engine/ box loom its all needed to run it except for a few air con wires . In my opinion you would be better off using the original loom and shortening it .
The starting/inhibutor system is wired through the pats and the pats it needs to see its there otherwise it wont work properly and you might not get it started .
How far have you got with your loom ?
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Re: pats
« Reply #19 on: Oct 16th, 2010, 9:15pm » |
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all done as of today except for the pats transceiver (round key barrel) and anyother pats wiring. The loom for the engine and box is intact all i've done is rewired from the connecter blocks (x2)
Maybe you could answer this for me aswell, the diagram for the ecu lists all the pin numbers/wire colour, but some pins list a second number to use if you have pats, so could i rearrange those wire to bypass the pats?
thanks
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