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freddieboy
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Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
« on: Nov 10th, 2010, 2:43pm » |
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Hello Folks,
Owing to a recent occurence of ABS dash light appearance, I booked the car in to my regular garage, and they tell me that the ABS pump has failed. I have four months MOT left on the car so I am urgently seeking a replacement pump in order to keep the old girl on the road. Has anyone else had this problem, and did you find a way round it?
The car is otherwise in excellent condition, and drives well, and it would be a huge loss to me if it had to be scrapped.
Any ideas lads? regards FredW 
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 10th, 2010, 3:55pm » |
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Hi Fred,
Does it look like this (the controller is underneath):
Or the later type in this PDF (the controller is at the front of the valve block):
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/manual/brake/ABSHydraulUnit97+.pdf
If it’s the second one we can probably sort it at a Kent meet.
If you have Traction Control it’s probably the first type (I’ve not seen a TC version of the later type).
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 10th, 2010, 8:21pm » |
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Freddie. Tell us what the symptoms were?. Did the garage 'scan' it. If so what was the fault code ?. One fault code says that the pump motor has failed when it is probably just loose contacts where the motor sits on the controller. The test is simple. Disconnect the plug and apply 12v to the motor. If it spins the motor is clearly ok and the pins are the likely culprit. That's where the 'Tompion' cure comes in. 
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 10th, 2010, 11:09pm » |
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The Fault docket reads: ABS/ESP Fault C1095. ABS Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure.
I will try to upload a photo tomorrow morning.
The only symptoms were that the orange warning light started to come on intermittently, and then permanently,otherwise everything else is fine. cheers fred
BTW its a 2.3 auto saloon `96 P reg.
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 10th, 2010, 11:31pm » |
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Freddie, Sounds like the controller needs repair and your's might well be the unit with the contoller on the underside. As Stuart said, Tompions repair is inch perfect, I should know. I followed the advice given for the repair and now all is well.. That was a year ago!!! The only thing I didn't do was drill the hole in the unit as suggested because I don't have a stand drill. I cut the plastic with a stanley knife(tough but doable) and replaced it back in place after the repair with glue and tape.. Do as Simmo say's and put 12v through the motor first. Lee
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 10th, 2010, 11:36pm » |
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Fred.
Does the light come on over 15mph?,that is what usually happens when 'Tompions Fix' is required 
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 11th, 2010, 7:52am » |
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Your right Gozz. Should have mentioned that first 
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 11th, 2010, 12:08pm » |
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Hi, I had similar problem a couple of years ago and got a second opinion and found it was 2 dry joints on the controller board that conects to the pump. He charged me £25 and it was sorted. :)
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 11th, 2010, 12:18pm » |
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on Nov 11th, 2010, 12:08pm, MrJones wrote:| Hi, I had similar problem a couple of years ago and got a second opinion and found it was 2 dry joints on the controller board that conects to the pump. He charged me £25 and it was sorted. :) |
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That's exactly what Tompion found and we hope that is the answer to Freds' problem. :)
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 11th, 2010, 5:39pm » |
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Hi All, I`m bowled over by the many replies to my problem, and it certainly looks like a fix may be possible. Owing to a chest infection and todays inclement weather, I havent been outside to the garage to investigate further.
All your comments have been extremely helpful, and I shall have to decide whether I have the manual dexterity to effect the repair by Tompion, let alone the tools required. Fortunately there are a few months MOT left, so I can continue to use the car legally.
Is there a Kent Meet planned for the end of the month?, if so I could glean more information from some of you then.
Thanks again. Fred
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 11th, 2010, 5:44pm » |
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The next meet should be on 28th of this month. Keep an eye open on the meeting forum. Pegasus (Paul) usually lets everyone know well in advance Lee
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 11th, 2010, 5:49pm » |
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Fred. There should be a meet on 28/11. Send me your telephone number by PM and I'll have a chat with you. IF the controller is on the front it is a relatively easy job and Dave {Tompion) did Bruces' (Gost) car in the car park !!. That is he swapped it over for a repaired one.  Mike
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 12th, 2010, 9:22am » |
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Fred, if you can find out the part number I may have a spare 2.3 one sitting here you can have as a spare.
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 12th, 2010, 10:49am » |
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on Nov 12th, 2010, 9:22am, Highlander wrote:| Fred, if you can find out the part number I may have a spare 2.3 one sitting here you can have as a spare. |
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Thanks Highlander, I havent been able to get to the part number, but can confirm that the unit is on the front of the pump, facing the radiator. cheers Fred.
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« Reply #15 on: Nov 12th, 2010, 10:50am » |
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on Nov 11th, 2010, 5:49pm, Simmo wrote:| Fred. There should be a meet on 28/11. Send me your telephone number by PM and I'll have a chat with you. IF the controller is on the front it is a relatively easy job and Dave {Tompion) did Bruces' (Gost) car in the car park !!. That is he swapped it over for a repaired one. Mike |
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Thanks Simmo, PM sent. Fred
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 12th, 2010, 10:59am » |
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on Nov 10th, 2010, 11:36pm, gozz wrote:Fred.
Does the light come on over 15mph?,that is what usually happens when 'Tompions Fix' is required
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Hi Gozz, Unfortunately the light comes on and stays on from start up. cheers Fred
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« Reply #17 on: Nov 12th, 2010, 11:07am » |
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on Nov 10th, 2010, 3:55pm, Tompion wrote:Hi Fred,
Does it look like this (the controller is underneath):
Or the later type in this PDF (the controller is at the front of the valve block):
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/manual/brake/ABSHydraulUnit97+.pdf
If it’s the second one we can probably sort it at a Kent meet.
If you have Traction Control it’s probably the first type (I’ve not seen a TC version of the later type).
Dave
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Hi Dave, I`m unable to get your link up on my screen. I just get a blank screen even though I have Adobe Reader installed. However the unit is on the front of the pump facing toward the radiator. cheers Fred.
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Re: Tragedy Strikes my beloved Scorp.
« Reply #18 on: Nov 12th, 2010, 12:14pm » |
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Hi Fred,
In that case it should be the same as mine, I'll try & swap the units over & repair yours when I get home (assuming it's repairable).
The screws sometimes seize, but I'll bring the correct torque bit & hopefully we’ll get it sorted.
Dave
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« Reply #19 on: Nov 12th, 2010, 10:56pm » |
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Thanks Dave, I will treat the screws to a blast of WD40 to perhaps free them up in preparation. Thanks again for yours and others help. cheers Fred.
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