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lesterlad aka Rodders
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #20 on: Jan 18th, 2011, 5:19pm » |
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on Jan 18th, 2011, 2:52pm, Highlander wrote:
fuel problem? fuel pressure regulator? are the injectors working?
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Not sure about fuel pressure regulator / injectors.
I was draining petrol from the doner car for use in my chainsaw.
on Jan 18th, 2011, 2:57pm, Cosray wrote:... did you get to do the EDIS and inspect and sprayclean its connector? It sits right under the headlamp, L or R.
You may need to unbolt and just lift the expansion tank for the coolant to get to it. No need to disconnect the tubes in my 24v. Very moist spot.
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To be honest the EDIS never crossed my mind.
Anyway, finally got a mechanic to come tonight, he's removed the fuel shut off loom from mine, whilst doing so he noticed a broken connection on the body of one of the coils.
He's coming back tomorrow to take the new loom and coils off the donor car and change over any connections that need changing.
Come hell or high water my Scorpio WILL run again.
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #21 on: Jan 18th, 2011, 6:31pm » |
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... a broken connection on one of the coils... how lucky can you be...
... it will run again soon...
Ray
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #22 on: Jan 19th, 2011, 6:20pm » |
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Update
Well, It WAS the fuel shut off loom that was shorting out after all.
But my goodness, what a palava fitting the new one, it had double the amount of wires going into the main connection block than the old one had, the sparkie eventually got it fitted and working after 4hrs of testing, cutting, extending, splicing, soldering, and cursing.
The main outcome though is...........My Scorpio Runs again. 
I shall be stripping and selling some spares off the 2ltr 16v Ultima saloon (when the weather warms up)that don't fit the Ghia X estate to recoup some of my expenditure, so keep your eyes open on Parts for Sale.
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #23 on: Jan 19th, 2011, 6:29pm » |
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... that si good news, congrats! 
For my curiosity - what spot(s) what locations were damaged?
By Fuel Shut off loom do you mean the loom coming ftom connector C221 (square/cube under/close to ABS module) over the head to the autobox?
Curious,
Ray
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #24 on: Jan 19th, 2011, 7:37pm » |
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on Jan 19th, 2011, 6:29pm, Cosray wrote:... that si good news, congrats!
For my curiosity - what spot(s) what locations were damaged?
By Fuel Shut off loom do you mean the loom coming ftom connector C221 (square/cube under/close to ABS module) over the head to the autobox?
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Most of the insulation was cracked, the worse bits were to the camshaft sensor, + cranckshaft sensor and the air intake pipe.
Yes, from square cube main connector below the power steering reservoir to TPS, Thermostat(s), crankshaft, camshaft sensors, IACV etc, etc.
My original loom had no connections to the gearbox or kickdown as mine is manual not auto.
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« Reply #25 on: Jan 20th, 2011, 4:09am » |
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MOved to HERE
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #26 on: Jan 20th, 2011, 8:47am » |
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on Jan 19th, 2011, 7:37pm, lesterlad aka Rodders wrote:
Most of the insulation was cracked, the worse bits were to the camshaft sensor, + cranckshaft sensor and the air intake pipe.
Yes, from square cube main connector below the power steering reservoir to TPS, Thermostat(s), crankshaft, camshaft sensors, IACV etc, etc.
My original loom had no connections to the gearbox or kickdown as mine is manual not auto.
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Aha... the usual suspects... good it was found & cured but be vigilant!
Ray
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #27 on: Jan 20th, 2011, 10:27am » |
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on Jan 19th, 2011, 7:37pm, lesterlad aka Rodders wrote:
Most of the insulation was cracked, the worse bits were to the camshaft sensor, + cranckshaft sensor and the air intake pipe.
Yes, from square cube main connector below the power steering reservoir to TPS, Thermostat(s), crankshaft, camshaft sensors, IACV etc, etc.
My original loom had no connections to the gearbox or kickdown as mine is manual not auto.
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He must of done some work on the other loom as well as there aren't any autobox connectors in the Fuel cut off loom of the 2.3.
There's C110 & C112
The fuel cut off would appear to be C110
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/eecvlooms.htm
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #28 on: Jan 20th, 2011, 10:34am » |
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you got it in one gozz.its a big by are standards butch pickup but they probley sold more on a monday than they sold scorpios ever
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #29 on: Jan 20th, 2011, 10:38am » |
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... why was it ever called Fuel Cut Off Loom..?
Curious,
Ray
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #30 on: Jan 20th, 2011, 10:49am » |
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I don't really know but I read somewhere it was a poor translation from German(?) presumably means injector loom or similar.
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lesterlad aka Rodders
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #31 on: Jan 25th, 2011, 4:42pm » |
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Well, things are never as straight forward as they seem.
I'm still having minor issues with the fuel shut off loom that was fitted last week.
Last week.
1) After fitting new loom, fans would come on at full speed for 2 min's while engine was cold then stop,
2) Engine would crank but not start again after a short run, but would start after going cold.
Yesterday & Today.
1) Fans don't come on when cold anymore but come on only at half speed when hot.
2) Engine starting normally after any run.
OBDII is giving just the one code, PO118... which I read to be > 'Engine Coolant Temp Circuit High Input' 
Can some one point me in the direction of the shut off loom wiring schematics for the 2.3 Manual AND the 2.0 ltr 16v Auto please, if there is any on the site, my sparkie would be most gratefull.
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #32 on: Jan 25th, 2011, 5:04pm » |
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I would guess you either have a duff temp sensor or maybe more likely a bad connection/wiring fault
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #33 on: Jan 25th, 2011, 5:17pm » |
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Temp sensor was working perfectly before this loom problem, I'm putting it down to a wiring fault or wrong connection, hence the request for the schematics.
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #35 on: Jan 25th, 2011, 7:03pm » |
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According to the diagrams they both have a white wire going to pin 38 of the PCM via pin 33 of the big connector block 110 plus the earth wire.
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #36 on: Jan 25th, 2011, 7:23pm » |
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Thanks for the info guy's, I'll pass it on to my sparkie.
I can work with 240v mains but 12v car wiring goes completely over my head.
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #37 on: Jan 25th, 2011, 8:19pm » |
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If you disconnect the temp sender & start the engine the fans come on & you get the PO118 code.
Since yours has had both fans coming on & not coming on when cold, I would think it more likely a bad connection rather than a wrong one.
Presumably your man had to provide an earth for the temp sensor for the gauge as the 2L doesn’t need an earth, so might be worth checking whether he used the same earth & if that connection is OK.
If you have aircon don’t forget depending on the outside temp & how you have the controls set the fans may come on.
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #38 on: Jan 25th, 2011, 8:33pm » |
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Yes Rodders he needs to earth the other pin on the temp sensor owing to plastic manifold being non conductor,2L earthed via alloy manifold.
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Re: Not Firing
« Reply #39 on: Jan 25th, 2011, 9:12pm » |
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on Jan 25th, 2011, 8:19pm, Tompion wrote:If you disconnect the temp sender & start the engine the fans come on & you get the PO118 code.
Since yours has had both fans coming on & not coming on when cold, I would think it more likely a bad connection rather than a wrong one.
Presumably your man had to provide an earth for the temp sensor for the gauge as the 2L doesn’t need an earth, so might be worth checking whether he used the same earth & if that connection is OK.
If you have aircon don’t forget depending on the outside temp & how you have the controls set the fans may come on.
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Air con is manual, not cc and is switched off
Temperature sensor for temperature gauge has the earth connected to engine block and gauge is working.
Just been out and tried it again from stone cold..........started first turn of key and fans came on high speed after 10 sec's, then they stopped within 2 min's
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