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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #20 on: Feb 22nd, 2011, 9:00pm » |
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Hi to you all out there. The remote sent to Philip Heap in Ambleside has been returned having been re-manufactured.
He sent a reprogramme guide with it,this one is different to the guide on the forum.
The one that I purchased off E'bay had been certified working and had been RF tested.
I now have two remote controls, neither will programme as per either of the two options.
In both cases I get the first tone,the next stages differ and the final confirmation tone common to both does not happen.
I rang Philip and he was puzzled.
He suggested a method that sounds a bit odd but you guys know far more about these cars than anyone.
He suggested disconnecting the both battery terminals then touching each end together. He said that it "Bumps" something into a mode for successful reprogramming!!!.
Has anyone knowledge of this or do I perhaps have to create a 'Voodoo Car Doll' of a Mercedes E320 and hit the Voodoo offering with a Big Hammer & incinerate the remains and then offer Myself (The Rooster) up for a Ritual Drag Race with an AMG Mercedes E320?.
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #21 on: Feb 22nd, 2011, 10:54pm » |
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on Feb 22nd, 2011, 9:00pm, The Rooster in the Scorpio. wrote:
or do I perhaps have to create a 'Voodoo Car Doll' of a Mercedes E320 and hit the Voodoo offering with a Big Hammer & incinerate the remains and then offer Myself (The Rooster) up for a Ritual Drag Race with an AMG Mercedes E320?. |
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #22 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 12:17am » |
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on Feb 22nd, 2011, 10:54pm, lesterlad aka Rodders wrote:
OMG I'm doubled up with fits of laughter with that /\
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Hi Rodders.I have just checked out the E320 figures,now in standard form my 97 Volvo V70 T5 CD Auto would give it a good old dusting. I might have to remap the Volvo and offer it up as 'A Champion' Lamb to the Slaughter to defend my Scorpio as a substitute against the AMG E320. I am ready to slaughter my Scorpio myself at this moment in time. Do they become any less problematic as the weather warms up !!!!!!??.
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #23 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 8:21am » |
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on Feb 22nd, 2011, 9:00pm, The Rooster in the Scorpio. wrote:I rang Philip and he was puzzled.
He suggested a method that sounds a bit odd but you guys know far more about these cars than anyone.
He suggested disconnecting the both battery terminals then touching each end together. He said that it "Bumps" something into a mode for successful reprogramming!!!.
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I would suggest adding afew drop s of snake oil in the process... but then again, it can't hurt.
It is not uncommon to do this for desktop computers when they freeze or hang because of static electrical charges on non-grounded mains having built up: disconnecting the mains plug, shorting it while kicking the mains switch on & off.
Do make sure to fully disconnect the battery and do not crossconnect battery poles!
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #24 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 8:36am » |
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on Feb 23rd, 2011, 8:21am, Cosray wrote:I rang Philip and he was puzzled.
He suggested a method that sounds a bit odd but you guys know far more about these cars than anyone.
He suggested disconnecting the both battery terminals then touching each end together. He said that it "Bumps" something into a mode for successful reprogramming!!!.
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I would suggest adding afew drop s of snake oil in the process... but then again, it can't hurt.
This is done in desktop computers when they freeze or hang beacause of static electrical charges: shorting the mains plug and kicking the mains switch on/off.
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Hi Ray. Thank you for your early morning 'Hung Brain' jolt call. I am a bit fuddled this time of the morning,no not booze far to late on the PC last night/am.
What do mean by Cross-Connect ?,do you mean when re-connecting don't connect to the wrong terminals,or accidentally short out to the power ?.
I have no doubts that the www.fordscorpio.co.uk version is correct even though up-to now it hasn't activated either fob. The version that Philip provided is very different,he has had favourable reports on the forum.
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #25 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 8:47am » |
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On a battery you will invariably find two poles: a Plus and a Minus, both having say a bunch 3 fat & thin wires connected to them each.
Philip's apparant idea is (not unlike the cure for hung computers) to take off all wiring from both poles and put thos together for say 3 mins.
So the battery is isolated, must be fully disconnected, i.e. naked poles.
Easiest usually is leave the wiring on each clamp, disconnect/unscrew the clapms, cover the battery for security with a newspaper, hold them up in the air and connect them for a few mins.
That should reset and make leak away any built up chrages. Unlikely in a car but who knows.
After reconnect and contact ON you will find the needles of your instruments spinning, while the instrument cluster processor is reset. It would be abnormal if they would not spin.
In the process you will also have reset your CCM and EEC-V/PCM. The process will not clear any stored DTC's nor your mileage and sometimes it is seen to cure ABS problems.
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #26 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 8:52am » |
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on Feb 23rd, 2011, 8:36am, The Rooster in the Scorpio. wrote:
Hi Ray. Thank you for your early morning 'Hung Brain' jolt call. I am a bit fuddled this time of the morning,no not booze far to late on the PC last night/am.
What do mean by Cross-Connect ?,do you mean when re-connecting don't connect to the wrong terminals,or accidentally short out to the power ?.
I have no doubts that the www.fordscorpio.co.uk version is correct even though up-to now it hasn't activated either fob. The version that Philip provided is very different,he has had favourable reports on the forum.
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How does his version look?
Ray
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #27 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 9:35am » |
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on Feb 22nd, 2011, 9:00pm, The Rooster in the Scorpio. wrote:He suggested disconnecting the both battery terminals then touching each end together. He said that it "Bumps" something into a mode for successful reprogramming!!!.
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Never heard of anything like it but always willing to learn something new, I'm an intrigued sceptic 
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Been Googling this, apparently its a capacitor discharge and instantly removes any residual charge left in the ECU etc.
Does the same thing as leaving the battery disconnected for a while, which we do before working on airbags etc.
It seems to be a fairly common practice but there also seems to be some disaster stories when doing it too, blowing amplifiers seems to be a common one...
I might try it on someone elses Scorpio one day 
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #28 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 9:43am » |
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... in cars I agree with you it seems iffy however in office and domestic electronics the procedure works and can be explained.
Remember the process if you ever have a computer in which for instance you insert a digital camera card for upload and bang - it hangs.
Or while running you insert a USB connector or a T11 network cable and it freezes.
May save you much time & Aggro
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #29 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:17am » |
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Hi to Ray and Stuart. I am by nature a Pessimistic Optimist,with an occasional tendency towards Optomistic Pessimism. Now to put that into Perspective,the Cemetery is Full of Dead Heroes and would be Joan of Arc figures.
I am going to go with the notion of 'Don't fix something that is only Half Busted'. I will persevere with the more regular re-programming of the remote control fixes.
If I stumble on one, I will post my findings on the forum.
Oh,there was one item that came to light late last night/early am whilst in the car attempting the process.
At one point in the method from Philip Heap there was a very distinct click coming from the region of the centre console,coincidentally the passenger heated seat seams to have ceased to 'Warm Super'.
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #30 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:23am » |
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The relay for the heated seats is in the centre console & clicks on off (or not as now may be the case with yours) with the ignition.
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #31 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:24am » |
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The first time i tried reprogamming I had to vary the timing of the key turns to get it to work, I think initially i was doing it too slowly
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #32 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:24am » |
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Hi to you all out there. A rather unexpected finding. Using the forum method,every thing in sequence happened as written. It d**ned well wouldn't last night/early am.The mysterious click is still audible, GUESS WHAT !!??,it still doesn't ,no they don't work.
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #33 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:26am » |
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Do the remotes definitely work?
might be worth "borrowing" a known working one just to double check
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #34 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:29am » |
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on Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:23am, Tompion wrote:| The relay for the heated seats is in the centre console & clicks on off (or not as now may be the case with yours) with the ignition. |
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Ah ha said the blind man,now I say see what you are saying.
Stuart,thank you for you last little Pearl of Wisdom !!,Timing is Everything as the Actress allegedly suggested to The Bishop.
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #35 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:31am » |
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Probably the best bet is to try a swap with another & see if that works on yours & yours works on another car.
I have a spare if you want to swap via post.
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #36 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:39am » |
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on Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:31am, Tompion wrote:Probably the best bet is to try a swap with another & see if that works on yours & yours works on another car.
I have a spare if you want to swap via post.
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Hi Tompion,Stuart suggested that just before you and whilst I was one finger typing.
Surely for that to work as:- in trial by substitution;the substituted one would need to be programmed to the car ie. mine and therefore dead to the one that it belongs to. With respect is that not a recipe for Fried or Scramble remote controls ?.
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #37 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 11:42am » |
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You should be able to program them from one car to another and back no problem.
I have done it and seen it done many times at the Scorpio meetings
The other difficulty I had initially with the programming instructions were that it implies pauses between the different instructions.
I found that turning the key to position 1 then completing the off/on cycle at an even pace worked, although some cars do seem to sound the bong at different stages in the process 
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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Re: My recently aquired remote will not programme.
« Reply #38 on: Feb 23rd, 2011, 12:11pm » |
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My spare was originally programmed to another car, I had no problem programming it to mine or setting both my fobs up to individual seat settings.
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