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pedropedro
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squeaking front end
« on: Mar 10th, 2011, 7:14pm » |
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had anti roll bar bushes changed and link rods recently...all was fine until yesterday started squeaking when front dips under braking
hard to locate when car standing still bonnet open etc....any ideas which is most likely to cause the problem ? tried spraying link rod joint o/s where thought it was coming from..but if i push down on wing cant hear a thing any advice greatly appreciated
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #1 on: Mar 11th, 2011, 6:29am » |
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I had the same problem, what I discovered was were the springs in the suspension struts sit on the cups at the bottom which had pads between cups and springs eventually wear and as a result you end up having metal to metal contact, which in my case was the cause of the squeaking, what I did was to apply grease into the cups and I have not had this problem since I carry out this procedure once a year, and now (squeak free)this was about four years ago, give it a whirl it only takes a few minutes you do not need to raise the car just turn the front wheels to there maximum the cups then are quite easily accessed.
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #2 on: Mar 11th, 2011, 7:11am » |
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ok will look at that...i had new springs and struts put in a while ago ..but maybe they need some grease in the cups ...john
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #3 on: Mar 15th, 2011, 6:25pm » |
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its not the cups..sprayed everything in sight with teflon spray ...just wont quieten...guess its back to garage unless anyone has any ideas
if put into reverse and brake quicly so front goes up thats its worse ditton move forward brake hard so it dips.....john
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #4 on: Mar 15th, 2011, 7:23pm » |
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on Mar 10th, 2011, 7:14pm, pedropedro wrote:| had anti roll bar bushes changed |
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the new bushes?
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #5 on: Mar 15th, 2011, 7:50pm » |
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[quote author=Kenboy link=board=Problems;num=1299784442;start=0#1 date=03/11/11 at 06:29:18]I had the same problem, what I discovered was were the springs in the suspension struts sit on the cups at the bottom which had pads between cups and springs eventually wear and as a result you end up having metal to metal contact, which in my case was the cause of the squeaking, what I did was to apply grease into the cups and I have not had this problem since I carry out this procedure once a year, and now (squeak free)this was about four years ago, give it a whirl it only takes a few minutes you do not need to raise the car just turn the front wheels to there maximum the cups then are quite easily accessed.
Ken,I have changed many a front spring on these cars,but have never seen one with anything below the spring,the lower abutment is shaped for the bottom of the spring to fit into.
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #6 on: Mar 15th, 2011, 7:57pm » |
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Hi ...i was thinking the bushes but what can wrong with them..they just have a hard nylon insert ?
but thats where it sounds like its coming from ...really loud !!
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #7 on: Mar 15th, 2011, 10:06pm » |
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The anti-roll bar bushes are rubber with some sort of woven impregnated lining on mine, do you have aftermarket poly bushes fitted?
They do come in different sizes, assume you have the right ones.
I think Simmo mentioned he needed new caps with his as they were a different shape.
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #8 on: Mar 15th, 2011, 10:45pm » |
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no idea what size they were....they were from fords so assumed right part...just asked for ar bar bushes .......... are you saying you can order different size bushes from ford for the anti roll bar?
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #9 on: Mar 15th, 2011, 11:56pm » |
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I thought there were different sizes of anti-roll bar - although I can't find reference to it on the site.
The anti-roll bar can wear where the bushes touch in which case you may be able to pack around the bush to squeeze it up a bit.
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #10 on: Mar 16th, 2011, 7:26am » |
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on Mar 15th, 2011, 10:06pm, Tompion wrote:The anti-roll bar bushes are rubber with some sort of woven impregnated lining on mine, do you have aftermarket poly bushes fitted?
They do come in different sizes, assume you have the right ones.
I think Simmo mentioned he needed new caps with his as they were a different shape.
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Dave is correct. When I replaced mine recently the bushes were a different shape and I needed new caps as well. The 'old' bushes have a hollow in which the cap, which is shaped, fits. The new bushes do not have that, they are totally flat, and so the old caps do not fit and new, flat ones are required.
The bushes fitted to my 2.0Ltr are F112875 and the clamps F1125639. 
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #11 on: Mar 16th, 2011, 7:52am » |
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ok thanks i really appreciate that ..will go down that route
rgds John
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #12 on: Mar 16th, 2011, 9:18am » |
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The rear anti rolls bars have different sizes, pretty sure the fronts are all the same
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #13 on: Mar 16th, 2011, 1:18pm » |
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ok tks for all the advice...will get new clamps and bushes ordered and see if that fixes
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help! squeaking front end
« Reply #14 on: Mar 22nd, 2011, 2:16pm » |
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now narrowed it down ..front offside only when wheels straight on so assume rack maybe is the problem....are there ball joints that need greasing ? do you just pull back gaiter and expose a ball joint?
any advice appreciate
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #15 on: Mar 22nd, 2011, 3:56pm » |
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Yep if you slacken the inner end of the gaiter you will find a large balljoint, is the gaiter burst?
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/srackrepair.htm
Can't see how that would cause a squeak under braking though.
Can you replicate the noise by shoving the front of the car down? if so it really has to be either struts, wishbone, link rods or anti roll bar related.
Definitely not the anti roll bar/bushes/clamps?
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #16 on: Mar 22nd, 2011, 4:12pm » |
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had the bushes and clamps changed this morning...link bars were changed 2 weeks ago ....ditto struts and springs cause had clunking problems...no clunks but squeaks!
yes if you push on wing it squeaks BUT only if steering straight on it ...by braking i mean causing the front end to dip
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #17 on: Mar 22nd, 2011, 4:32pm » |
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Yep I understand that.
But based on how the antiroll bar works...
If you turn the wheels the links rods will move, put tension on the antiroll bar/bushes and tighten them up.
With the wheels straight the tension is off the antiroll bar/bushes and my theory is that this is why you now hear a squeak?
Were the new bushes the correct ones? were the previous ones?
on Mar 15th, 2011, 11:56pm, Tompion wrote:| The anti-roll bar can wear where the bushes touch in which case you may be able to pack around the bush to squeeze it up a bit. |
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Did you change the bushes yourself? Was there much wear on the roll bar? I've seen them pretty worn away.
interesting one this, will be good to get to the bottom of it.
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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Re: squeaking front end
« Reply #18 on: Mar 22nd, 2011, 5:10pm » |
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the bushes were ford original ditto the clamps... understand what you mean re the pressure put on the bushes when the link rods move
the bushes were fitted this morning for second time regreased etc....and not a jot of difference re the squeaking...i will get to the bottom of one way or another ...i dont give up !
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