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granorpio
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Hi Chaps, hope you can help.
Regrettably I've not been on for quite some time as the car is and has been off the road for the last 12 months (My fault really). 
I was to be honest due to parts availability and the need very soon for an exhaust, contemplating with moving on, but unfortunately funds won't permit so I am now attempting to get her back on the road.
The problem that I am having is with the front fogs. Initially they would not work at all, but having now replaced the R9 relay they now work but won't switch off unless there is no lights on at all. So this means even when you switch onto side lights on they come! I have two headlamp switches both of which I have tried with the same outcome.
Also the LED indicators for both the front and rear fogs don't light up at all.
Any suggestions please.
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Re: Front Fogs
« Reply #1 on: Apr 29th, 2011, 1:45pm » |
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Is the replacement relay the proper one? Wiring problem?
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granorpio
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Re: Front Fogs
« Reply #2 on: Apr 29th, 2011, 1:50pm » |
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Hi Highlander
Yes, brand new from Ford.
Wiring? Don't know yet was really hoping for a quick easy solution.
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Highlander
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Re: Front Fogs
« Reply #3 on: Apr 29th, 2011, 2:01pm » |
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Switch is the easy solution but assuming both of yours don't have the same problem its not that.
Did they used to work normally previously?
Someone hasn't wired them that way? so they come on with the lights? (illegal but apparently it makes you look cool)
If they are now getting power when they shouldnt be there must be a short after the switch somewhere..
Wheres it been sitting in the 12 months?
mice eating wires possibly?
Dampness?
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Scorpio
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Re: Front Fogs
« Reply #4 on: Apr 29th, 2011, 2:15pm » |
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Mike had a similar fault on one of mine after a time in storage. Fault on mine was water/moisture under relay. Only tiny spots but enough to play up. Try and listen for any relays that buzz. Check all relays for arcing. Had the hairdryer on mine and left to air in the sun. No problems since. 
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Re: Front Fogs
« Reply #5 on: Apr 29th, 2011, 2:19pm » |
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Have you tested the relay? No continuity between the 2 large spades when removed. If you want to try a substitute I just tried the brown one for the horn and that worked fine for the fogs.
Although having written that I've just checked & both LED's work with the relay removed, so unless both light switches have faulty LED's it's unlikely to be the the relay.
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granorpio
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Re: Front Fogs
« Reply #6 on: Apr 29th, 2011, 2:24pm » |
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Yes everything worked perfectly previously and no one has ever touched the wiring, especially mice.
The cars not actually not to bad apart from one arch.
At this stage all the car needs hopefully needs to get through the MOT is
1. fogs working correctly
2. possibly a steering tie rod (already purchased)
3. possibly x4 tyres (treads are fine but sidewalls showing some signs of cracking) - (still to choose a brand)
4. O/S/F seat belt (already purchased - fitting this afternoon)
5. arch welding up
6. hopefully not an exhaust
The problem started before the car came off the road but I was to preoccupied at the time to look into it at the time and never even got around to fitting the relay before today.
Just now attempting to take the front bumper off to have a look at the back of the lamps.
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Re: Front Fogs
« Reply #7 on: Apr 29th, 2011, 2:32pm » |
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on Apr 29th, 2011, 2:24pm, granorpio wrote:| Just now attempting to take the front bumper off to have a look at the back of the lamps. |
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The foglights can easily be removed without removing the bumper
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/handbook124.gif
The handbook is a bit vague, prise the indicator lens away from the foglight, there is a metal spring clip holding them together, you will see it once you start moving the indicator lens. the outside edge of the indicator is hooked under plastic lug, difficult to explain but simple once you see it
Once the indicator unit is removed there is a phillips screw holding the foglight unit to the bumper and tab beside the foglight lens than locates it in the bumper.
I would doubt however the fault is there
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Scorpio
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Re: Front Fogs
« Reply #8 on: Apr 29th, 2011, 2:36pm » |
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Beat me to it Stuart
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Mike H
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Re: Front Fogs
« Reply #9 on: Apr 29th, 2011, 6:24pm » |
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on Apr 29th, 2011, 2:24pm, granorpio wrote:3. possibly x4 tyres (treads are fine but sidewalls showing some signs of cracking) - (still to choose a brand)
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You might consider used ones for that?
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Re: Front Fogs
« Reply #10 on: Apr 29th, 2011, 7:13pm » |
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on Apr 29th, 2011, 2:24pm, granorpio wrote:
At this stage all the car needs hopefully needs to get through the MOT is
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Front fogs are not part of the MOT (they don't have to be working)
If they're coming on with the headlights take the bulbs out until after the MOT, that will give you more time to sort them out.
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