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shooshyneman
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Non Electricite
« on: Jan 23rd, 2012, 7:50pm » |
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Flat completely flat. Not a thingyy bird. No indication of a problem whatsoever. Started this morning having stood all weekend, no dancing dials, came out at lunchtime wouldnt unlock? so used the key. No dash lights no interior lights no nothing not even door warning lights. So where do I start? 2.5 TD estate of course.
(I didnt write "thingy bird" it changed it from d i c k y bird)
Is this another thing I' ve broken today?
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shooshyneman
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #1 on: Jan 23rd, 2012, 8:19pm » |
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Looks like glowplugs could be stuck on. removed fuse and seems to hold charge. Is there a relay somewhere or a diagram?
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #2 on: Jan 23rd, 2012, 8:52pm » |
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Looks like there is one in the engine compartment. Have a look at This.
Then scroll through This
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #3 on: Jan 23rd, 2012, 9:56pm » |
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Relay is down by the headlights
Ive had similar where the negative lead hasnt been tightened up right and the rush from the starter knocks it out
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shooshyneman
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #4 on: Jan 24th, 2012, 6:49pm » |
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Magic! just where you said it would be Matt. Swapped it over to the other car, it works perfectly?? put the good one into the duff car lo and behold it works perfectly?? Was it just stuck and Ive nudged it or is there a more devious plot?
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #5 on: Jan 24th, 2012, 8:25pm » |
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Joints may have gone dry, pulling it out will have cleaned it a bit where the terminal rubs
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #6 on: Jan 24th, 2012, 9:57pm » |
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NOT Magic -anoying - Now no gloplug light. Car wont start but heated windscreen light is lit,albeit dimly is this a coincidence or a sign? 
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #7 on: Jan 25th, 2012, 8:54am » |
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Heated windscreen light is on without ignition. Removed fuse from F41 LHS Windscreen heater and it goes off. But battery is now flat so charging. see what happens later. But the glowplug relay (the good one) is not working. Going to test it but I think it has broken??
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #8 on: Jan 25th, 2012, 10:36am » |
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OK the relay is fine. But it now doesnt operate when it is in the car so what powers it?? and yes the fuse is OK
Doing my head in now. 
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #9 on: Jan 25th, 2012, 7:09pm » |
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Strip the battery side fuse box, sounds like its damp, oe you have a short in the loom in the engine bay
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #10 on: Jan 25th, 2012, 7:25pm » |
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what year?
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #11 on: Jan 26th, 2012, 8:36am » |
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1998 R reg . Is there something like a temperature sensor that turns these glowplugs off when the engine is running?
or do they stay on all the time?
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #12 on: Jan 26th, 2012, 12:40pm » |
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They are controlled with the relay. It has a circuit inside that keeps the glow plugs on while on cold start
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #13 on: Jan 26th, 2012, 7:46pm » |
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WELL ITS ALL VERY WEIRD. The glowplug relay wont come on. so I hot wired them to start the car. when it was warm all is ok except warning indicator doesnt come on. ie glowplugs wont work but when warm it doesnt need them. So When I turned it off it wouldnt stop running? so I drove it round the block and turned it off. It was OK. I opened up the fuse box and yes water. I've dried it all out odd things seem to have stopped happening. The glowplugs still wont come on? The relay does work I swapped it back just to be sure. The car does now turn off. For the timebeing. Does the 1st injector need power to stop the engine or does it need power removing?? Its automatic so can't shove it in1st and stall it!!
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #14 on: Jan 27th, 2012, 8:01am » |
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on Jan 25th, 2012, 7:09pm, Matt wrote:| Strip the battery side fuse box, sounds like its damp, oe you have a short in the loom in the engine bay |
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Looks like Matt was right !.  You may think you've dried the fusebox BUT have a read of This article. As you will see from the picture the box is made up of several layers and the copper contacts sit in shallow depressions. If dampness is still in any of these 'tracks' it will cause problems. You may need to spend time with a hair dryer to try and dry it out further. The main point is how did the water get in there?. Have you got both the fusebox cover and a battery cover properly fitted?. If you have then you need to check that the drain holes are clear around the base of the battery.
Look at This page which will show you how to remove the bulkhead panel in front of the battery to ensure it is clear.
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #15 on: Jan 27th, 2012, 9:17am » |
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If that sounds to much work, ill strip and check one i have and do you it for £20 exchange for yours
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #16 on: Jan 28th, 2012, 12:18pm » |
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Yes, Simmo asks the best question, how did it get in there? Fuse cover was on. Battery cover was on, drain holes and battery compartment clear at the minute I'm fooled. I have a spare fuse box from a 94 Granda Scorpio somewhere ,does any one know if they are the same. Matt If I cant find it or if it is different I might take you up on your offer. In the meantime I can still use the car with the glowplug button I have rigged up on the dashboard" In the meantime back to Hairdrying!!!!
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #17 on: Jan 28th, 2012, 3:17pm » |
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Another item which might help is to aquire some silica packages..like those suplied with cameras etc.. as they are designed to draw out moisture, and place them in the box.
Have a look Here
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #18 on: Jan 30th, 2012, 7:22pm » |
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Good Idea Simmo. Stuffed it full of these packages over the week end, and it seems to be behaving itself for now. Still flumuxed as to how it got wet in the first place.
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Re: Non Electricite
« Reply #19 on: Jan 30th, 2012, 10:23pm » |
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I was giving my battery tray a good clean out with soapy water when I changed the battery recently. It struck me it wouldn’t drain very well if you parked on a steep uphill gradient.
The battery cover should have a raised boss where the nut goes to prevent water seeping through the hole. I know these often break off but I wouldn’t have thought it would get across to fuse box.
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