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Andycan
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Cossie losing water
« on: Jul 15th, 2013, 3:28pm » |
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Hi I am supposed to pick up a 96 2.9 24v scorpio estate next week and have just received this email.
I took the machine out on Saturday just to do a little shopping and it appeared to use a lot of water. I know this is thirsty weather but a litre just to go about 5 miles is a completely new development. It used only to get through that much in a month.
I have no idea where it is going. It only happens when travelling. Nothing is used when the vehicle is stationary. This worries me. I don’t want you to have to drive around with a tank on the roof! Pls let me know what you think. Usual suspects of course: Hoses, rad, pump, gasket.
Has anyone any idea what the problem could be? It does seem odd that it only uses water when moving? I have never had anything like this happen on my 2.0 16v.
Thanks Andy
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #1 on: Jul 15th, 2013, 4:33pm » |
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Andy, the point about stationary needs clarifying. Does he/she mean with the engine running or switched off. If it has been using water on a monthly basis has something now finally given up the ghost?. Has the engine and gearbox oil been checked?. A litre in five miles running would seem to indicate that it's being pumped out under pressure possibly once the 'stat opens?.
As you are looking at a Cosworth you should also look at This page. Go to the penultimate paragraph and then go to the highlighted link. (Gearbox oil cooling). 
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #2 on: Jul 15th, 2013, 4:41pm » |
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Hi Simmo I have sent him a mail asking your questions. In the meantime he says that on inspection one of the belts looks perished yet he has only done a 1,000 miles since it had a major service so still a bit odd lol.
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #3 on: Jul 15th, 2013, 4:44pm » |
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Sorry went blind for a moment lol. it has only done a few k since the major service so maybe they did something to it.
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #4 on: Jul 15th, 2013, 5:10pm » |
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ok it seems he didn't have the engine running when it didn't loose water lol. He says until then he lost a pint every 800 miles or so.
as for the belt he wrote this.
Picture of Simon Dipper
It’s the big one (the wide one) on the off-side i.e. the one on the left as you are looking into the bonnet from the front.
if this helps as the 2 things could be connected and I only know the 2 litre engine.
Could it be that this belt had a piece break off and damage a hose?
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #5 on: Jul 15th, 2013, 6:15pm » |
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it could be a number of issues, can he see any moisture under the car when parked up that would indicate a location?
places it could be leaking are:
the rad (know for ballooning)
the hose that goes under the near side head
The hose under the fat one from the rad to the Y shaped ali bit, ive seen there get rubbed through from the belt if its stretched or the tensioner is flapping about.
Radiator drain plug, mine leaks here, the rubber washer has perished.
Oil cooler, seen the hoes get damaged / melted by the exhaust if the retaining clips have broke.
water pump
steel pipe between the V corroded.
to lose that much water there will be some sign of it. if hes been topping up with anti freeze then there will be a crystallized mess around the area
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #6 on: Jul 15th, 2013, 8:02pm » |
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Looks like I will have to wait till I go and get it then. Can we get all the pipes mentioned? And if so where can I get them? As I want to rebuild the car I might as well start there. Also source a 2 litre rad to swap over.
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #7 on: Jul 15th, 2013, 10:47pm » |
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I've got a 2.0L rad if you need one Andy.Cheers Lee
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #8 on: Jul 16th, 2013, 1:32am » |
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Had same problem with one of my 24v's-using water but no obvious cause. Carried on for 14 months until the water pump seal gave way massively. No previous clues, no leak on standing and pump not suspected because it was a new genuine ford one -no refund "over 12 months"! Another new pump and problem solved.
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #9 on: Jul 16th, 2013, 7:04am » |
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on Jul 15th, 2013, 10:47pm, leewar wrote:| I've got a 2.0L rad if you need one Andy.Cheers Lee |
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Is it disguised as a central heating rad Lee?  
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #10 on: Jul 16th, 2013, 11:08am » |
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Thats a better place for him to hide it than in his prehistoric burial mound..... 
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #11 on: Jul 16th, 2013, 5:09pm » |
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PM sent Lee thanks
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #12 on: Jul 20th, 2013, 1:08pm » |
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I have now been told there was no steam coming out of the exhaust and no water in the oil or auto box oil but wonder if the water pump gasket might have gone or the heater matrix.
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #13 on: Jul 20th, 2013, 1:42pm » |
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Also, check the expansion tank/bottle integrity. Seen them leak under pressure. Have someone increase the revs gradually whilst you watch for leaks.
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #14 on: Jul 20th, 2013, 2:22pm » |
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It is a bit hard getting info at the moment but I will go over all the things said here with a fine tooth comb when I get down there on Thursday thanks
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Re: Cossie losing water and now stutterin
« Reply #15 on: Jul 27th, 2013, 1:42pm » |
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Ok I think I found the culprit the water pump is making a rumbling sound so I assume the bearings are not very well and all around the pump gasket on the engine is wet so I assume that is the leak and that I need to replace the pump and gaskets.
Another problem that has cropped up is whilst testing it on pulling away I kicked down and she started to pull away nicely then started to stutter and die and I lost the rev counter any idea's what this might be?
Thanks Andy
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #16 on: Jul 27th, 2013, 3:43pm » |
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Oh I forgot when it was stuttering and dying there was a load of smoke comming out of the exhaust yet I took my foot off the peddle and then put it back down again and it was back to normal and no smoke.
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #18 on: Jul 27th, 2013, 7:00pm » |
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Ok thank you I shall have to see if Stixy has a reader.
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Re: Cossie losing water
« Reply #19 on: Jul 27th, 2013, 7:17pm » |
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The rev counter is driven from the edis on the 24v
See under 3. pulses in the table at the bottom of this page:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/instreset.htm
"engine speed signal coming from the alternator, (12V V6, 2.5 TDi) or the EDIS (all others)"
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