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Tompion
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #20 on: Mar 21st, 2007, 2:26pm » |
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Might clear when you drive, but I didn't have to.
I did just check by plugging in both plugs on my spare unit without fitting it to the ABS block, & can confirm the light stayed off.
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Octavian_P
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #21 on: Mar 21st, 2007, 2:55pm » |
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Anyway what is interesting is that even if the module still doesn't work it did have the solder problem. Before opening it didn't have connection between (the two pins). After fiddling with it and resold it's OK from electrical point of view. I'll try some parts on it like diodes, and resistors using my trusty multimeter. Maybe we'll find even more "strange" ABS "happenings".
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Tompion
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #22 on: Mar 21st, 2007, 4:08pm » |
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I noticed a few areas where the clear mastic coat (assuming your's has this) was cloudy, underneath there was minor corrosion or residue from the solder.
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Octavian_P
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #23 on: Mar 22nd, 2007, 8:27pm » |
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I'm back with news. Today i had a bit of time to do a quick check on the module mounted on the car. Well i measured and theres no continuity as is should be. So from the start the problem repeats. So in two modulator i have they both have the same problem. Now all i have to do is to take it off the car and do some "brain surgery" to it. I even tried today to get it off...got 3 screws form 4 but the last one has rounded and could not get it of. I tried to saw it's head in 2 pieces and then use a big flat screw driver....but the blasted split and broke. Not it's half headless. I need to take the expansion tank out and somehow saw it from underneath.
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Tompion
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #24 on: Mar 23rd, 2007, 12:28am » |
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What a pain, I shall try & get some allen screws for mine.
I drilled a 4mm hole sideways into it to break the screw - as in the picture, but that was on the top, I doubt you can do it on the bottom screws.
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Octavian_P
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #25 on: Mar 26th, 2007, 6:51am » |
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Hi there
Finally i had a bit of time to take a second turn on this matters. I managed to saw of the screw after taking out the expansion tank. After opening the module at first look it seemed to be ok, but the multi tester measurement was telling something else. Alright i have removed the rubbery coating (i think it's silicone based), and look at the soldering points with a magnifier glass. Both terminals where cracked and unsoldered from the PCB. Took my trusty solder iron and soldered them back for good. After this i went to the car. Plug in the wiring, put the keys on....the abs light extinguishes after a second or 2 ... ALRIGHT  Went back in the house, and sealed the unit back with tons of silicone . Went back to the car screwed back the module on the pump, i have connected the wiring and took the car for a test drive. Went all the way up to 50 mph, the light doesn't come on..., then at a more gentle speed i slammed the brakes on a mudy and wet piece of tarmac. The ABS came on, pump was wiring, and i could hear the brakes blocking - unblocking making thumping noises. In other conclusion now my ABS after more than 2 years of ownership it's finally working again. Thank you once again DAVE (Tompion) for sharing this.
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pete from Hull
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #26 on: Mar 26th, 2007, 9:05am » |
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Hey.. isn't this what this site is all about, this is brilliant fault investigation work, just shows it doesn't have to be a juck away world.
I have had many instances of this type of repair work, I used to runn a (believe it or not,,, WARTBURG I had the car for 13 years during which time i carried out a partial rebuild and then later a last nut and bolt rebuild. I found I was having to repair bit ie POINTS of all things when I couldn't get them, switches, distributer etc etc unfortunately I was given a company car for 3 years during which time the Wartburg was stored in my garage, when I got it out again it was in such a state I couldn't be bothered to continue with it so I cut it up and scrapped it.... Oh well
Anyway Very well done and keep the good work going....
Pete
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Tompion
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #27 on: Mar 26th, 2007, 10:25am » |
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Octavian
That’s great news
That’s exactly what happened to me it looked fine, but on close inspection with an eye glass I thought the pins looked a bit suspicious, once the shiny silicon was removed it was obviously bad.
So between us we’ve had 4 units apart, all had the fault & 3 have been made to work by soldering the same pins. Still too early to say, but starting to look like a common fault.
Also interesting that you didn't have to clear the fault code either.
Not sure if you have an ABS test lead. Did you check for any other fault codes on your other module? I’ve just done a test on mine, I disconnected one of the back wheel sensors & drove it up to 30mph. After turning off the ignition & reconnecting the sensor the light stayed on but went out at about 15mph. Might be worth plugging the other unit in and tying it up somewhere and seeing if it clears when you drive.
Dave
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #28 on: Mar 26th, 2007, 1:23pm » |
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In a week or two i'll meet with a friend who has an OBD-2 Cable compatible with ISO standard, so in other words it reads the ABS Codes as well. I'll take the "non-working" unit with me and see what codes does it bring and if they can be erased  .
Now i have a puzzling problem with my cossie. It has ABS + TCS and the 1095 code came a few times beside a rear wheel sensor which is always failing 
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #29 on: Mar 26th, 2007, 2:28pm » |
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Does your cossie have the Teves Mk IV? I’ve not looked at one of those & wouldn’t be able to test one anyway, but if anyone has one with a known 1095 code they don’t mind sacrificing I could break it open & look for a similar problem.
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #30 on: Mar 26th, 2007, 2:38pm » |
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to be sincere i don't know how what model it is. It looks like this
I think it's the same model as HERE
But the pump plug still remains
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #31 on: Mar 26th, 2007, 2:39pm » |
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test
I don't know why but if i delete this post the one with the pictures deletes itself 
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Tompion
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #32 on: Mar 26th, 2007, 2:50pm » |
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Looks nice & clean - puts mine to shame.
They only mention 2 here http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/abssystem.htm so assume it's the MKIV.
I had the same problem with the post not showing when it went to 2 pages.
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #33 on: Mar 26th, 2007, 2:53pm » |
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on Mar 26th, 2007, 2:50pm, Tompion wrote:| Looks nice & clean - puts mine to shame. |
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Don't wory mate, they are "stolen" from a twin brother (over the net). Mine looks the same but contains things like dust, mud, and power steering fluid
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John Dickinson
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #34 on: Mar 30th, 2007, 3:42pm » |
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I have a Teves IV and did the repair this week by drilling the case. This one is plastic as against what appears to be aluminium on those shown. So far the fault seems to be cured. I've had permanent C1095 for a while now although it started off as intermittent. It seemed to clear on one occasion after cleaning the motor plug connector but now I understand why if it was a bad connection inside the controller, :-* which I probably disturbed when disconnecting the plug. I have a '96 24 valve, the part number on the controller is 95GB 2C013 BB and when I contacted BBA they said they didn't do exchange units for these but could do a repair for £175 depending on condition. So many thanks for an excellent tip, maybe I'll be able to get my 42" plasma T.V now. :)
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #35 on: Mar 31st, 2007, 10:46pm » |
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I suspect the Teves IV is a lot more common than the Teves 20, so this is an interesting development.
The case on mine is also plastic, but I played with the pictures a bit as the detail of the black case tended to get lost.
Enjoy your telly. 
Dave
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #36 on: May 1st, 2007, 9:00pm » |
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You can add me to the list of repaired abs pump fault. my abs light was on giving me code C1095.
I have drilled my one today ,resoldered the pins, refitted the pump and drove around. the abs light went off as soon as i started the car and stayed off.
I will test my other pump later this week to see if that is the same.
It seems like there is some common fault to all these pumps. My one is the Teves 20. the letters start with 97 GG.
Thanks for the advice everyone.
Caspathescorp
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #37 on: May 2nd, 2007, 9:06pm » |
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Caspathescorp
Glad you sorted it.
Let us know how you get on with the other unit, either way.
I’ve found contrary to what is often said you don’t need to clear faults for the Teves 20 to work, although the fault codes remain in memory until cleared.
Dave
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #38 on: May 2nd, 2007, 10:04pm » |
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Hi. i have just recived my obd tricom cable from obd-2.com. Will set it up at the weekend to see if the codes are clear from the pump that i fixed.
will postback.
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Re: ABS C1095 Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure
« Reply #39 on: May 4th, 2007, 10:07am » |
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Sorry for my lack of presence. I didn't have time to test the first module. Maybe at the end of this week I’ll try a swap. Anyway since the repair the current module works great.
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