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Matt
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HID Kits
« on: May 22nd, 2012, 11:08am » |
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Hello All
After 3 years my old HID fit failed the other day and being impressed with the kits i bough another.
The kits have come down in price and are far less bulky then they used to be.
Ive took a few pics of the installation progress.
The New Kit (6000K)
The HID Bulb compared to a standard Lamp
The headlight needs to be taken out do install the kit properly, to take out the Headlight you need to remove the plastic covers on the sides of the headlights to access 2 of the screws, the third is located behind and up of the indicator unit
Here is a pic of the third bolt, it can be difficult to access with the bumper still on but it can be done (top Right)
Pop the wiring looms off and you have the headlight free!
Now to get the best of the HID kit (or a standard bulb for that matter) you need to clean the 2 lenses, inside and out, pop the front lens off the headlight unit, and use a good glass cleaner to clean the glass surfaces, you wouldn’t believe how dirty the inner focusing lens gets!
With preface lift headlight, try not to use anything solvent bases or rub to hard on the inner glass, you'll take the chrome off! All you really need to clean is the oval 'none directed' part of the outer lens.
Also when cleaning the inner lens, again try not to touch the main beam chrome reflector, the chrome comes off easily! Also use something lint free, as you need to work the cloth behind the holder to clean the back of the inner lens (where is gets dirtiest!) and it will leave loads of little fibres which will show up when the lights are on!
Next you need to drill a hole in the rear cover to allow the wiring to come through, some kits include a little hole saw for doing this!
Before fitting the HID to the headlight you need to fit it through the rear cover first, try not to touch the glass, if you do use a bit of solvent cleaner to clean the glass
HID fitted, Note, the clip can be difficult to clip back as the HID is fatter then a bulb
Now wiring up, you'll need to pop the earth spade connector off the lamp holder and fit it to the black wire on the HID kit. fit the power lead to the spade terminal of the HID kit
fit the headlight back together and refit to the car, securing the ballast units securely to the car, then test
And the result
Night breaker filament on the left, HID on the right.
Next head to you local MOT centre or a garage with a beam alignment tool to have the beams set.
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PJDavis
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Re: HID Kits
« Reply #1 on: May 22nd, 2012, 1:02pm » |
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Didn't I read somewhere that later this year the MOT test is to include 'types' of bulbs fitted, and unless factory fitted Hid's would constitute a fail? And, is that not the reason they've come-down in price?
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Re: HID Kits
« Reply #2 on: May 22nd, 2012, 4:57pm » |
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Yes, the new 2012 MOT standards regarding HID
" Headlight requirements are updated to take account of the particular characteristics of High Intensity Discharge (HID) lamps.
HID headlights can cause dazzle if they are dirty or aimed too high so car manufacturers must fit headlamp cleaning and levelling systems. Where HID or LED dipped beam headlamps are fitted the tester will switch on the headlamps and check the operation of any headlamp levelling and cleaning devices fitted.
The car will fail if a headlamp levelling or cleaning device is inoperative or otherwise obviously defective."
How this will manifest to aftermarket kits fitted to older cars without wash and self levelling susp. isn't stated.
I think we have at least one MOT examiner on here. So, hopefully an answer will be forthcoming.
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Re: HID Kits
« Reply #3 on: May 22nd, 2012, 5:09pm » |
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Just found this on the web:
"In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.
The following is the legal rationale:
The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.
However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).
For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.
Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:
1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.
2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).
3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:
1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.
2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.
3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.
Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.
In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above"
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Re: HID Kits
« Reply #4 on: May 22nd, 2012, 5:26pm » |
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The beauty of the kit is it can be removed in under 20 mins.
If the scorp had traditional headlamps (like the main beam) id agree with whats been said, however the scorpio has a projector type headlamp which focus' the beam anyway.
if you read my other topics you will see headlamp leveling is easy to retro fit and give it a few weeks ill show the board how to retro fit the washer system, already sussed the wiring just need a day and some time to fit and take pics
if however the mods feel this post is inappropriate please remove it.
I will say however the car passed its mot in may with the old kit fitted, only moan they had was the beam was to low and adjusted it there and then
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Re: HID Kits
« Reply #5 on: May 22nd, 2012, 5:41pm » |
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Oh forgot to say. Good write up Matt. Thank you. 
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Re: HID Kits
« Reply #6 on: May 22nd, 2012, 5:45pm » |
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I wasnt being funny with you mate it just i very highly doubt any mot station would pull the scorp up over it, its a car and headlight youd expect to see a hid on 
the eu has done nought for us but take away our freedoms and personally i couldnt give a toss what they have to say lol
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Re: HID Kits
« Reply #7 on: May 22nd, 2012, 6:01pm » |
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Yes Matt, i agree totally with you. I had one of my cossies fail an MOT last year for having different front bulb "brightness" 
We have way too many rules that some jobs-worth keeps adding to every year.
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Re: HID Kits
« Reply #8 on: May 22nd, 2012, 6:09pm » |
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I wasn't trying to be funny either guys. I have just been told by a mate with a fairly new X-Type Jag, that went for it's first MOT, the tester said because the Hid's were fitted 'Retro', he wouldn't pass the car next year. And his Jag has leveling and washers!
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Re: HID Kits
« Reply #9 on: May 22nd, 2012, 6:12pm » |
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As far as im concerned so long as you have 2 of everything up front aligned and secure it shouldn't fail, as for bulbs its up to the driver if you hardly use the car after dark buy cheap bulbs, if like me you drive at night every day spend a little more, the kit in the write up was cheaper then branded bulb sets and light distance is stunning far more use to me then only seeing a few meters in front of the bonnet
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