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Tompion
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That plastic manifold
« on: Nov 16th, 2008, 4:23pm » |
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Back in June 5stud was kind enough to send me an old 2.3 manifold so that I could adapt it to use an inline stat housing. I bought a Rover housing quite cheaply off Ebay. It is also plastic but I think the problem is in the design of the Scorpio one rather than it being plastic.
I made up the adapter from some brass sheet etc I had kicking around & silver soldered it together. I used some graphited gasket sheet to make a gasket and used hylomar jointing paste.
It had to share one of the bolts, I cut the steel spacer & top lug of the manifold down by the thickness of the brass sheet & gasket to form a lap joint.
I expect it cost more in time than if I’d bought a new one, but just fancied having a go 
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #1 on: Nov 16th, 2008, 5:17pm » |
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Dave....you never fail to amaze me. What an fantastic job. Just wait 'till Jonnycab sets eyes on that!!. Regards, Mike.
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scorpio_man
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #2 on: Nov 16th, 2008, 5:51pm » |
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hi there
now that is something special!
well done!
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Jonnycab
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #3 on: Nov 16th, 2008, 6:31pm » |
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Wow !!......that's impressive 
I remember talking to you about it at the Kent meet a while back & I couldn't see how you were going to do it, but you obviously knew better than me 
Well done ..........don't suppose you could do one for me as well 
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Pegasus
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #4 on: Nov 16th, 2008, 9:33pm » |
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Blimey Dave,
nice job - looking forward to seeing your handywork at the Badgers meet.
You planning on replacing/upgrading any more bits?
Cheers
Paul
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gozz
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #5 on: Nov 16th, 2008, 10:05pm » |
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Tompion.
Top notch job that,full marks ! How about producing a thermostat housing for the 24valve into which could be fitted a standard thermostat.I can envisage such a thing,but have not yet found time to give it attention.
GOZZ.
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Tompion
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #6 on: Nov 16th, 2008, 10:23pm » |
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on Nov 16th, 2008, 6:31pm, Jonnycab wrote:
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If I had the means to make quick job of it I would, but it’s pretty much hand-file & hand-saw work with a bit of lathe work & drilling thrown in - so fairly time consuming.
Does your manifold still have those 2 studs & nuts fitted? The PDF shows them as being on a diagonal at the ends but mine were next to the middle ports at the bottom. Either way I can’t see why they didn’t use bolts for all six fixings, there are 2 steady pins so it’s not for locating the manifold.
No Paul, nothing in the pipeline, I expect I’ll have things to replace as MOT time in the next few weeks……… although I had been thinking about that matrix 
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #7 on: Nov 16th, 2008, 10:38pm » |
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on Nov 16th, 2008, 10:05pm, gozz wrote:Tompion.
Top notch job that,full marks ! How about producing a thermostat housing for the 24valve into which could be fitted a standard thermostat.I can envisage such a thing,but have not yet found time to give it attention.
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I think if I owned a 24v I would’ve tried to alter the stat housing.
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #8 on: Nov 17th, 2008, 9:48am » |
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Tompion wrote "Does your manifold still have those 2 studs & nuts fitted? The PDF shows them as being on a diagonal at the ends but mine were next to the middle ports at the bottom. Either way I can’t see why they didn’t use bolts for all six fixings, there are 2 steady pins so it’s not for locating the manifold."
Yea, mine still has them & they are in the same place as yours & that's where they've always been.
I've always wondered why they weren't bolts as well, as you still have to remove the studs to get the manifold off & back on. Maybe the factory fitters weren't quite as skilled as us lot & they were for steadying the manifold along with the pins & the manifold was actually fitted before the engine bay was filled with clutter. That's the only way I can see that you could actually get it to slide over the studs  .......
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Scorpio_Mike
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #9 on: Nov 17th, 2008, 11:52am » |
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Now that is what I call a work of art
Almost a shame to hide it - perhaps a hole in the bonnet with some perspex
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scorpio_man
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #10 on: Nov 21st, 2008, 10:10pm » |
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on Nov 16th, 2008, 10:38pm, Tompion wrote:
I think if I owned a 24v I would’ve tried to alter the stat housing.
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hi there
someone on the mailing list has just done this using a 12v pump, etc.
i'll post more info when i get it (will get it put on the main site later).
andrew
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gozz
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #11 on: Nov 21st, 2008, 11:22pm » |
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In general appearance the only difference between the 12 and 24valve pumps is the angle of the inlet pipe,which in itself would not be insurmountable.I assume that the castings of both blocks is similar,therefore one would assume that both pumps would bolt on .
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #12 on: Nov 22nd, 2008, 12:30pm » |
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hi there
does anyone have photos of the 12v AND 24v water pumps? both front and back shots.
if so, can you email them to me.
thanks
andrew
hi there
does anyone have photos of the 12v AND 24v water pumps? both front and back shots.
if so, can you email them to me.
thanks
andrew
hi there
does anyone have photos of the 12v AND 24v water pumps? both front and back shots.
if so, can you email them to me.
thanks
andrew
hi there
does anyone have photos of the 12v AND 24v water pumps? both front and back shots.
if so, can you email them to me.
thanks
andrew
hi there
does anyone have photos of the 12v AND 24v water pumps? both front and back shots.
if so, can you email them to me.
thanks
andrew
hi there
does anyone have photos of the 12v AND 24v water pumps? both front and back shots.
if so, can you email them to me.
thanks
andrew
hi there
does anyone have photos of the 12v AND 24v water pumps? both front and back shots.
if so, can you email them to me.
thanks
andrew
hi there
does anyone have photos of the 12v AND 24v water pumps? both front and back shots.
if so, can you email them to me.
thanks
andrew
hi there
does anyone have photos of the 12v AND 24v water pumps? both front and back shots.
if so, can you email them to me.
thanks
andrew
hi there
does anyone have photos of the 12v AND 24v water pumps? both front and back shots.
if so, can you email them to me.
thanks
andrew
hi there
does anyone have photos of the 12v AND 24v water pumps? both front and back shots.
if so, can you email them to me.
thanks
andrew
hi there
does anyone have photos of the 12v AND 24v water pumps? both front and back shots.
if so, can you email them to me.
thanks
andrew
hi there
does anyone have photos of the 12v AND 24v water pumps? both front and back shots.
if so, can you email them to me.
thanks
andrew
hi there
does anyone have photos of the 12v AND 24v water pumps? both front and back shots.
if so, can you email them to me.
thanks
andrew
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Highlander
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #13 on: Nov 22nd, 2008, 12:33pm » |
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on Nov 21st, 2008, 11:22pm, gozz wrote:In general appearance the only difference between the 12 and 24valve pumps is the angle of the inlet pipe,which in itself would not be insurmountable.I assume that the castings of both blocks is similar,therefore one would assume that both pumps would bolt on .
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I've never tried it Gozz but from what I've heard on here they dont fit each other, there is a slight difference in the bolt hole spacing
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Highlander
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #14 on: Nov 22nd, 2008, 12:34pm » |
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I've got a 12v here Andrew, I'll take it off today and take some pictures
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scorpio_man
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #15 on: Nov 22nd, 2008, 12:39pm » |
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cheers stuart
does anyone have photos of the 24v one?
regards
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Highlander
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #16 on: Nov 22nd, 2008, 5:32pm » |
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I've got a 24v one here too, will give them both a clean tomorrow and picture both together.
I can draw round them both too on a bit of paper and compare the outlines and mark the holes, will that help?
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scorpio_man
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #17 on: Nov 22nd, 2008, 6:03pm » |
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hi stuart
yes please. the guy said something about drilling a new hole and plating something else.
cheers
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Highlander
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Re: That plastic manifold
« Reply #19 on: Nov 23rd, 2008, 8:55pm » |
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12v Front
24v Front
12v Back
24v Back
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