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Matt
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #20 on: Aug 3rd, 2014, 11:27pm » |
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Id say that been hit at 50+
Looking at the zoom pic the rear subframe must be destroyed as both rear arches appear to be sat on the tyres.
No chance of getting that straightened up.
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Tompion
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #21 on: Aug 3rd, 2014, 11:42pm » |
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Yes I think you’re right, the wheels did come down a bit when put into neutral but pretty sure not much was where it ought to be.
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #22 on: Aug 4th, 2014, 7:03am » |
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Any decent crash investigator should be able to assess the speed at the time of impact by looking at this and the other car. Personally I think the 'excuse' is a load of ......... (You choose!) and I bet Matt is not far out. 
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #23 on: Aug 4th, 2014, 8:02am » |
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Sorry to see that 
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #24 on: Aug 4th, 2014, 8:04am » |
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Looking at the damage to your Scorpio, its hard to believe a Corsa could have done that and the occupants survive !
Reckon the story of swerving to avoid a Beemer doing a U-turn is looking a bit far fetched IMHO - more like someone driving way too fast and just lost control. Can the police get an idea of the impact speed from the amount of damage ?
I'd wager it looks like significantly more than a 30mph impact 
Don't think even Wayne from Devon would be able to do anything with your car now.
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #25 on: Aug 4th, 2014, 9:06am » |
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Did Peter.J.Davis part with his pair of Scorps in the end ?
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #26 on: Aug 4th, 2014, 4:12pm » |
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He gave one away & got grief from the new owner & appears to be keeping the other as he was talking about changing the wishbones.
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #27 on: Aug 4th, 2014, 4:54pm » |
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Sorry to see the damage to your car Dave.
Hope you get things sorted. Paul.
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #28 on: Aug 4th, 2014, 5:54pm » |
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Thanks Paul,
Wish your lovely car was still available.
Dave
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #29 on: Aug 4th, 2014, 8:11pm » |
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Hi Paul, great to 'see' you. How is your good lady?. Mike
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #30 on: Aug 5th, 2014, 3:02pm » |
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sorry to see this mate.
Hope you can find another one
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #31 on: Aug 5th, 2014, 7:36pm » |
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I'd cry if that happened to mine. There's not that many for sale at the moment.
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #32 on: Aug 5th, 2014, 9:28pm » |
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You're right, I gave one away and got grief, and I'll be holding onto Movvy for a while yet intending to do the wishbones before next MOT. Really sorry to hear about this, I agree that the impact suggests much higher speed, if you knew exactly where the car was parked, and exactly how much it moved including rotation, and the model of Corsa, I'll tell you what the impact speed was, or very close! Especially if you can tell me how much fuel was in yours and the Corsa.
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #33 on: Aug 6th, 2014, 1:08am » |
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There’s a challenge Peter I can't be exact but I can roughly work out the Scorpio from the 16” sq offset paving slabs in the picture as I park in much the same place (with wheels fairly tight to the kerb if that matters) but the Corsa would just be from memory.
The Scorpio in park moved approx 20ft & rotated anticlockwise approx 34 degrees, about 3 gallons in the tank.
Checking the reg online it says Vauxhall Corsa Hatchback (06 on) 1.2i 16V Club 3d.
My memory is that it was just short of 90 say 80 degrees clockwise rotation and the back NS wheel was within a few feet of where the front NS wheel was at impact (assuming front left hitting rear right). No idea of petrol, 2 people in it.
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #34 on: Aug 6th, 2014, 5:20pm » |
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Hi Mike, Thanks for asking - we are both well. Paul.
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #35 on: Aug 8th, 2014, 10:15am » |
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Hey Dave
A very 'scratchy' estimate, but really it's quite an exact science and without measurements to within 3-4 inches, and precise conditions I can only guess.
I weighed my Scorp yesterday, and just as the book suggests I had about 90% fuel in it. The base model without any extras is quoted at 1680kg, mine weighed in at 1810kg. Mine has a tow-bar on it so I figured with that and the fact yours had a lot less fuel I'd base the calculation on your Scorp being 1740kg. The model of Corsa was a bit more difficult because I know no-one with that model to weigh it. Also there was a model change that year, but the newer model is only slightly lighter. The mean of those two models is 1080kg, and I put two people in it and added 135kg that brought it to 1215kg, so I then added a bit of fuel and took it to 1250kg.
So what we have is a force of 1250kg, on a dry road hitting a stationary force of 1740kg. (By 'stationary' I'm thinking of a rock-solid force, so your car is in 'Park') The sationary force moves 20ft. (for the purpose of ease I didn't take the rotation into account, but I changed the distance to 6250mm, which is about 20ft 6ins this makes my calculation easier)
I got between 46mph and 52mph. Best I can do. Still couldn't put my hand up to it though. No-help I know. I'm very surprised the Corsa wasn't completely minced, but if the guy hit your car with a corner of his, or your 'parking-pawl' let-go so your car rolled, did you have the hand-brake set? There are are lot of things to take into consideration. I would be erring on the lower side of that speed just because of the lack of damage to the Corsa.
Peter
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #36 on: Sep 2nd, 2014, 9:29am » |
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Bit late to chip in now, but sory to see this. I'm off the radar these days as I'm working in Delhi for a while, but back occasionally.
Still got my red Scorp, but not looking to sell it, I'm afraid, not yet, anyway, so hello Paul if you check back, it's going well. Had a rear wheel bearing replaced, and HID nudged the front bumper and the paint has cracked.
I love it, but miss the Cosworth power of my previous Scorps.
Good luck Tompion, hope you get some recompense, but don't think you'll get that fixed. Heart breaking, isn't it.
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Re: Rust in peace
« Reply #37 on: Sep 2nd, 2014, 10:54am » |
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I have just read this post Dave, and I am so sorry to see what has happened mate. I really do hope you can source a top notch replacement. And there is a lot of good advice for you in this post.
It's just a crying shame
Mike
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