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(Message started by: allante on Mar 28^th, 2004, 2:26pm)

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by allante on Mar 28^th, 2004, 2:26pm

are they the same design as the old one?

Andy

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by Paul B on Mar 28^th, 2004, 6:59pm

Or did you get that 3 button one pictured on their site? They look to me like the inserts which fit into a key. If that works on the Scorpio, I'd much rather have one of those. I could always go and see for myself, as they are only 10mins down the road from me.

Paul

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by allante on Mar 28^th, 2004, 9:57pm

But are the keys with the inserts PATS compatible? if so, i would rather have the remote in the key as well.
If you do go look Paul, let us know!

Andy

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by daven on Mar 29^th, 2004, 8:52am

Just called them - they can't supply the remote fobs!

mrobbo2000 - what did you get?

O well back to FMDs!!

Cheers

Daven

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by Danny_R on Mar 29^th, 2004, 9:35am

Hi Guys,

real shame we still haven’t got anywhere with the remote situation.

BTW on the subject of security, Daven has put some articles on the net about the scorp. They make interesting reading! Its a bit worrying what they said about the security on the scorp. Apparently, the scorp is easier to gain access than a base model 94 fiesta :o I wonder how?

read it at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dave.neale/whatcar5.htm

BTW nice work Daven ;)

Danny R

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by Paul B on Mar 29^th, 2004, 5:47pm

What? They can't do the fobs? After all that stuff written on their site, they make it sound so easy. Just what is so special about the Scorpio remote that it can't be reproduced??

A confused and dejected Paul

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by Mick Saunders on Mar 29^th, 2004, 5:57pm

:)Hi All,
take a look at:- http://www.enigma2000.co.uk/Fordkeys.htm
Mick.

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by allante on Mar 29^th, 2004, 6:35pm

Looking at the above link it looks as though the three button remote and the 'type 2' horshoe key should work. I did email them and ask them to clear this question up so if i get a reply ill pass it on.

Andy

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by daven on Mar 29^th, 2004, 6:37pm

I have just had a message from Mark via the forum - he says it does work, and I have no reason to disbelieve him, (Mark sorry if we sound a bit dubious, but no one has managed to get a remote for the Scorpio other than from Fords!)

I did ring them today - I quote "Hang on I'll check - nah sorry mate can't get 'em!)
Did you get a part number for the one they send you ?

What model and year is your car - wonder if there was yet another remote issued!?

Daven

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by daven on Mar 30^th, 2004, 8:51am

Okay - just phoned enigma!

The fob they supply is the horseshoe key type for PATS2 and has the transponder as well!

Total cost inc postage is 44.65 (the rest of the key is £12!) - I have ordered one this morning and have invited them to read the site as they may be able to help with keys and locks as well (nice find Mark!)

If it works I will let you know - but sounds promising as Mark (mrrobbo2000) has a 95 Ultima!

Watch this space! :)

Daven

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by allante on Mar 30^th, 2004, 1:41pm

Whats PATS2? are we PATS2? and if so, what was PATS1?

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by daven on Mar 30^th, 2004, 3:30pm

Passive Anti Theft System

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/pats.htm

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by craig on Mar 30^th, 2004, 3:35pm

this is getting interesting now,maybe a breakthrough i hope,daven we are waiting with baited breath.............

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by daven on Mar 30^th, 2004, 3:41pm

Just don't hold your breath :-[

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by the_pot_noodle_kid on Mar 30^th, 2004, 7:24pm

I got one of those 3 button remote 'inserts' for the horse shoe shaped key (I ordered it wrongly!) but it didn't work when I tried it on my car. That might be a problem with my car though as I still haven't got the remote for it. It will be interesting to hear the outcome.
Dave

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by allante on Mar 30^th, 2004, 10:38pm

Dave,
I know what PATS is, I meant whats the difference between PATS1 and PATS2? if indeed there ever was a '1'

Andy

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by daven on Mar 31^st, 2004, 7:25am

Sorry Andy! :-[

Found this which may help:With PATS I, as long as you have at least one working key and can read the owners manual that came with the vehicle, you've got a good shot at programming your new key without additional assistance.

With PATS II, things become a little more difficult. Someone decided that two working keys be required for admittance to the programming show. On the surface, this is a good idea. It pretty much insures that only the owner of the vehicle will be making duplicate keys. The down side is that many vehicle owners don't think about making extra keys until they only have one, or even worse no keys!

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by allante on Mar 31^st, 2004, 10:25am

Ah! so that makes us PATS 1 then, we only need the red master to program a new slave key. I think there migtht be some later models on pats 2 as i seem to remember reading something now you mention it.

In which case...is it gonna work??

so over to you dave, you got your new key yet?

my breath is also baited (or could be the garlic bread i had the other night) ;D

Andy

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by daven on Mar 31^st, 2004, 11:11am

Hoping it will be there when I get home tonight!

Mark - Who started this thread (dunno why the posts are missing!?) found the company, has a 95 Ultima - unless a PATS2 has been retro-fitted to his car!

Will let you know as soon as I have tested it!

Cheers

Dave

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by allante on Mar 31^st, 2004, 1:35pm

Just for your info regarding thetwo different systems i found the following:-

Keys

Up to 98 ¼ MY, three keys are allocated to every new vehicle and all three must be coded to the PATS in order for it to function correctly. The first key to be inserted into the ignition lock barrel is identified to the system as the 'master' key (red in colour).

Note:
The master key must be the first key used when starting the engine for the first time following the installation of a new PATS module. This will ensure the owner/operator is able to programme additional 'slave' keys (black in colour) if required.

The master key provided with every new vehicle should be kept in a safe place and not be used as the daily key. This is because it is the only key which will allow the owner/operator to programme additional slave keys.

Up to a maximum of sixteen keys may be programmed to any one system (red master key system).

From 98 ¼ MY onwards, only two keys are allocated to every new vehicle. Both keys are required to programme additional keys by the owner/operator. Up to a maximum of eight keys may be programmed to the system (two key system).

if that helps

Andy

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by john.n on Mar 31^st, 2004, 3:14pm

In that case how can companys such as ALA create new keys when you only have 1 existing and it isnt the master john.n ???

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by allante on Mar 31^st, 2004, 8:18pm

You can get new master keys from ford dealers but they have to be programmed by fds2000 to your car and probably cost the earth!

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by barry_jones on Mar 31^st, 2004, 9:21pm

"Up to 98 ¼ MY, three keys are allocated to every new vehicle "

I don't agree with this little bit of the handbook. My Cosworth has a build date of June 1998 (98 1/2) and it has three keys including a red master key so I cannot see that Ford would go to the trouble of changing over the entire system for a car that was going out of production within 3 months. I would be more inclined to think that there are no Scorpios without a master red key, because it has to be built sometime within the 30 days of June which is so unlikely, you are more likely to see Lord Lucan riding Shergar in next weeks Grand National

Unless anyone has a later car than mine without a red key (and not just having lost the red key...that doesn't count!!)

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by barry_jones on Apr 1^st, 2004, 11:46am

Apparently I have been informed that there are Scorpios about that don't have a red key and use two blue keys instead....and I thought temperal thero-spatial quantum physical mechanics was complicated

Barry

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by daven on Apr 2^nd, 2004, 6:52am

No sign of the remote yet - hope it turns up today! ???

Daven

Seems its lost in the post! - phoned them Sat, they sent it Tues - special delivery! :-/

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by daven on Apr 6^th, 2004, 8:10am

OK well I picked up the remote from the post office today (they hadn't left a card to tell me they had tried to deliver!)

I have tried the usual re-programming and it does not work I will try again tonight when I also will have the red key available!

Looking at the remote I doubt it will work as there is a 'bulb' such as you would find on a TV remote!

It is the middle of the 3 on the left hand side of this page:-
http://www.enigma2000.co.uk/Fordkeys.htm

Ho hum!

Daven

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by allante on Apr 6^th, 2004, 1:53pm

Dave if has a 'bulb' like a tv remote then its an infra red remote not an RF one!
(if you have a camcorder or digital camera look at it through that while you press the button, if its IR you will see it light up bright green) ((ex tv-engineer, easy test to see if your remote is working!!)) ;)

oh and if anyones interested, another test, without having an IR detector, is to hold it next to a MW radio tuned to no station mid band, you should hear interference if its working.
just thought id pass that on, might save someone a tv repair bill someday!
Andy

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by daven on Apr 6^th, 2004, 6:02pm

Well it does not work! :(

Tried programming it with the Red key - just in case, nothing!

I do not think it is IR Allante - the trick with the digital camera did not work - the remote has 433MHz and 316MHz on it as well!

Worth a try I guess!

Cheers

Daven

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by lachris on Apr 6^th, 2004, 6:14pm

Hallo. I am Lars from Sweden. Please excuse my not so good english.
I think the problems with no working remote controls is that the current leading area on the the backside of the buttons on the remote is worn out. This was my problem and I solved it like this. I cleaned the goldplated leadings on the card and then I took alu foil from the kitchen. From the foil I made three shims at about 4-5 mm diameter wich I glued on the backside of the buttons. The alu is leading current and it works perfektly.
Best regards: lars.christianson@glocalnet.net

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by allante on Apr 7^th, 2004, 6:45am

Ok, well 433Mhz sounds right, thats what it says on mine, 433.92 to be precise, dont know what the 'bulb' is then, unless of course its a bulb! :)
I know its a stupid question but the batteries are ok arent they, i only ask as i put some new batteries in one of mine which i bought from the local tv shop and nothing! a few days later i was at the fmd and asked them to see if they could check it, they put more new batteries in and presto! worked a treat! (no they didnt charge me for it, only for the batteries of course)
Just one thing to bear in mind if it uses the flat 'coin' type batteries and youve had them out, you can discharge them by handling them wrongly, like watch batteries, jus thold them by the edge so your fingeres dont 'short' the front and back. (a jeweller once told me that and ive found it to be true on more than one occasion!)

other than that...i dunno!

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by daven on Apr 7^th, 2004, 7:41am

Yeah I tested the battery (can do this without removing it on this remote!) it was OK!

I can only think that Marks car has had another system fitted to his car at some time!?

The bulb does not light up and if fitted into the 'horseshoe' key would be hidden (maybe its a sensor to check the key is present!?)

I will be returning it today and get an arm and a leg one ;)

Cheers

Dave

Title: Re: ford scorpio remotes
Post by The_Jailer on Apr 22^nd, 2004, 4:04pm

Good suggestion, Lars from Sweden! I've cleaned my remote lots of times but it clogs up again after a few weeks. I'm going to try your aluminium foil idea.