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(Message started by: shaunskiman on Dec 7^th, 2005, 7:00am)

Title: Changing To Manual
Post by shaunskiman on Dec 7^th, 2005, 7:00am

Hi All,
I have just aquired a 16v 2ltr with a manual gear box, it failed its mot on the cats, not a problem because it only cost me £100 and its a very tidy car next to my cossie.
I,am wondering is it possible for someone who knows what their doing to change my 24v to a manual using the box and clutch stuff out of the 16v ???
Cheers for any info
Shaun I...

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by Highlander on Dec 7^th, 2005, 9:04am

It is possible,
I know Eric R had some experience of helping kit car drivers do this with the 24v engine.

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by howiedintheplace on Dec 7^th, 2005, 9:25pm

Well this is not as easy as you think, Yes you can do it & you have most of the parts if your scrapping your 16V but the bolt pattern is different on the 16V to the 24V bell housings & you will need a better clutch as well.

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by Octavian_P on Dec 7^th, 2005, 9:35pm

And let's not forget about the wireing :P

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by mazzy_j on Dec 8^th, 2005, 10:23am

Would the gearbox (and possibly the rear diff) from a diesel fit the 24v as i was thinking of making a manual 24v as my next project?

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Advice;action=display;num=1131109673

Matt

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by Highlander on Dec 8^th, 2005, 11:50am

Whats with the manual 24v's ;D

I have enough bother holding onto the steering wheel when i floor mine without having to look for a gearchange ;)

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by mazzy_j on Dec 8^th, 2005, 12:00pm

lol, i suppose i just like the hassle of pushing a pedal and moving a lever ;) also would i be right in saying that if a diesel gearbox and diff were used a 24v could top 150mph and accelerate quicker because of there being no torque converter?

Matt

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by howiedintheplace on Dec 8^th, 2005, 8:23pm

Matt don't change the rear diff as a Scorpio will be over geared, it will be slower & use more fuel.
A diesel gearbox & diff will give you 185 mph if you ever get the power to do it but a STD engine will only do about 135 mph as it has not got enough power.
A diesel or late 16V gearbox is best with the 0.75 top gear but keep the diff STD Cossie.
A STD 24V engine will do about 140 mph, you have the gearing to do 170 mph but not the power?
0 - 60 will be around 8 secs.

To put a manual in a 24V Scorpio is alot of work, good luck to you if you do.

A Diesel box will not bolt onto a 24V by the way, you would have to change the front section of the gearbox for a V6 one.
Happen to have one if you need one ;D

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by mazzy_j on Dec 9^th, 2005, 9:47am

Thanks Dave, a lot of useful info there.

Once my current project Scorp has its engine back in and is out of the way (that is once i've found out what a single 6pin connector to the td injection pump does before i can do anything) and the weather starts to turn for the warmer, i'll be ebaying for a 24v with a broken g'box.

Just wondering but what does the front section of the g'box consist of? i have a spare set of diesel clutch assemblies which came off the old diesel engine which i could use.

Matt

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by howiedintheplace on Dec 9^th, 2005, 6:42pm

If your serious this is the best way

V6 12V flywheel (Sierra 88- 93)
V6 12V Spigot bearing
V6 12V manual starter motor.
Escort Cosworth clutch
Scorpio Diesel gearbox with VSS.
Change the front of the box for a V6 MT75 one.
Clutch will have to be cable operated.
Fit box & cable operated clutch pedal etc.
Prop from a manual Scorpio.

The big problem is the electrics, you have the VSS sensor for the speedo, earth pin 64 on the ECU & make the ECU think you are in park, then you might be O.K. but there might be some other little probs to sort out.

This is the bit you have to change. You have to split the box in half & swap the front bit. One special tool is needed. Click on the X.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b228/DavidHoward/Folder%201/th_Bell011.jpg (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b228/DavidHoward/Folder%201/Bell011.jpg)

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by Highlander on Dec 11^th, 2005, 12:29am

genetic engineering for cars!! ;D

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by mazzy_j on Dec 12^th, 2005, 9:50am

Ahh i know the gearbox part you mean. Well, i'm an 'mechanical/electrical engineer in training' at Ford and so have the resources needed for the surgery once i've found a suitable car. How much are you looking for the front section you have, pm me let me know.

Thanks,

Matt

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by howiedintheplace on Dec 12^th, 2005, 12:26pm

Well you should be O.K then.
I think I have a 12V flywheel, starter motor & the front part of the box you can have but need to check. Will send a PM.

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by mazzy_j on Dec 13^th, 2005, 2:42pm

Thanks :)

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by solarpanel on Dec 13^th, 2005, 6:57pm

i thought may manual had a lever to change gear not a level lol

Title: Re: Changing To Manual
Post by solarpanel on Dec 13^th, 2005, 6:59pm

now i cant spell it must be catching